Re: removing speakup from memory?

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Wow!
Thanks for such a rich detailed and  informative answer.
When you used bin, that jingled a very tiny bell, but jingled it enough for me to understand what you were describing. I did your providing an extra example of the shutdown -h command as well. If a Linux box gets its full soul expression running 24/7, then mine must feel profoundly unfulfilled and depressed. I am very certain it has not been on in at least a year...poor thing, smiles.
Thanks again.
Kare


On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Øyvind Lode wrote:

Linux and all UNIX-like systems is multi user by default.
The system creates only UIDs that are needed by the system and no security risk at all. On a standard installation only your own UID is created and optionally one for root and then all system users of which are set to /bin/nologin or something similar.
All these UIDs is required for the system to run properly.
This is how UNIX is designed.
Examples of system UIDs are: bin, daemon etc etc.

To shutdown a linux box 'shutdown -h now' is the correct way.
That said I never shutdown a Linux box because it's designed to be running 24/7 smile.

On 25/01/2015 01:36, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 wait.
 why would the system create elements tied to those not actually using
 the system?
 Forgive my lack of information here, but would that not be a security
 risk?
 If they were not created by me, who would create them?
 I have no means for typing that command, but I am curious about the
 concept.
 Karen


 On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, John G. Heim wrote:

>  Multi-user just means that each process  is owned by a user.  Some
>  user ID is tied to each process. Most of the processes are owned by
>  users you probably didn't create directly.   Examine the /etc/passwd
>  file to see all the users on your system.
> > > On 01/24/2015 01:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >   Hi,
> >   Why would I have a multi user system?
> >   Oh wait I might know the answer to this one.
> > no. this box was built for me, I have an admin password, and I am > > the
> >   only user.  Something I have done once from the computer itself.  No
> >  ssh
> >  this time, I have no idea yet if the debian configuration on the
> >  machine
> >   even supports dsl.
> >   I will be turning it on to find out.
> > I will want to turn it off again when I am through, so thanks for > > all
> >   the  prospects.
> >   While Halt seems  like the most fun, better to just try shutdown -h.
> >   Thanks,
> >   Karen
> > > > > > On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, Tim Chase wrote: > > > > > On January 24, 2015, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > what is the keystroke for leaving Linux basically to shut down > > > > the
> > > >   computer?
> > > >   Unlike DOS, i understand you cannot just turn off the machine.
> > > > Depending on how new the computer is, you can usually just hit > > > > the > > > power button to initiate a shutdown (as opposed to holding it in > > > for
> > >   3-5 seconds which does a hard power-off).  The press (rather than
> > >   press-and-hold) sends a shutdown signal to the operating system.
> > > >   If you want to initiate it from the command-line or over SSH,
> >  you can
> > >   usually use one of "halt", "reboot", or "shutdown".  You might have
> > > to prefix it with "sudo" because on a multi-user system, it would > > > be
> > >   rude to allow any old user to reboot it out from under other users.
> > >   I usually use "halt" to power down the machine, and "reboot" to,
> > >   well, reboot (that's rare).  The "shutdown" command allows for
> > > additional options like sending messages to users that are logged > > > in,
> > >   deferring the shutdown for a period of time, etc.
> > > >   So those are the graceful ways to shut down.
> > > >   That said, if you're running a modern vintage of Linux, it
> >  should be
> > > fairly robust to handling abrupt power-offs. Mostly it boils down > > > to
> > >   things that your software thinks has been written to the drive but
> > >   hasn't actually made it to the drive.  If you use a journaling
> > >   file-system (unless you're running a REALLY old version of Linux or
> > > you intentionally chose EXT2 or a FAT partition type on > > > installation,
> > >   you've likely have a journaling file-system since it's been the
> > >   default for years).  Also, if you have external drives like a USB
> > >   drive, you'd want to make sure that either it's set to write
> > >   synchronously or that you properly unmount it since it's usually a
> > >   FAT file-system which can lose data.
> > > >   And if you're booting off a live CD, doing all your work on the
> > >   internet, and not actually saving anything locally?  Feel free to
> > > unceremoniously rip the cord from the wall since there's nothing > > > that > > > won't be restored on a fresh boot. Though I still usually just do > > > a
> > >   regular shutdown out of habit. (grins)
> > > >   -tim
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