lol!
it is all a matter of how one wants to spend the energy. YOutube is not
the only place for video content, and Tim indicated that I may not be able
to say attend a webnir live in Linux either.
but honestly I have been successfully using
broadband for years now...I have more memory in my dos machine then likely
is in this Linux box, and I do what I need to so there are no memory
barriers.
No. big. deal. for me because it is important.
It is also worth it to me having my machines built instead of buying them
off the shelf.
I know people who have gone through 10 or 12 computers to my three or
four.
I know first hand from my experience that the so called effortless Linux
install is a joke.
I know first hand based on my personal experience that I can do easily
what I desire to do in DOS with a little effort.
this is 100% my personal experience, and I would never suggest it will be
anyone Else's.
Your Linux experience clearly varies, just as y dos one varies from
yours.
Neither are discounted by the other, they are just different.
Karen
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Tony Baechler wrote:
Also, I forgot to mention that I don't think DOS works very well with
broadband, or at least I never got it to work. Even if you find a packet
driver for your network card and actually get the Lynx port to work, you'll
be limited to fairly slow download speeds just due to the fact that DOS has
memory limitations and is not multitasking. A multitasking OS can dedicate a
process just to downloading and has a lot better memory management. Where
this applies to you is getting back to things like YouTube, where you really
can't use a graphical browser in DOS and would need to download the video
locally. Also, since the packet driver itself takes memory and Lynx uses
quite a bit of memory, not to mention your screen reader needing a good
chunk, you'll rapidly lock up your system just due to the 640 KB limitation.
You can load some things in upper memory and some things run in protected
mode, but TSRs don't as I understand it and the amount of upper memory is
also limited due to DOS limitations. Taking the youtube-dl script, it
requires Python. I think there might be an ancient version of Python for
DOS, but it's probably too old to work, and again you're back to running out
of memory as any modern interpreter will take a lot.
As a final note, if you ever get a modern machine with a plug and play
network card, DOS won't work with it because it won't have a static IRQ.
On 3/5/2013 1:21 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
OK, a couple of quick thoughts, based on my own experience. Yes, you can
run
Lynx, etc from DOS. However, it's much, much slower and requires messin
around with packet drivers and dial-up networking. Linux has that built-in
automatically and almost always just works. I never got Lynx to run in
plain
DOS because I couldn't find a packet driver and TCP/IP software for my
network card, which is one of the big reasons why I switched to Windows 98
and the command prompt. The second issue is that, due to DOS memory
limitations, the ports will have a lot less features unless they use djgpp
and a DOS extender to get around the 640 KB limit. That's called protected
mode and again, Linux doesn't have that limitation. Finally, Lynx at least
used direct screen writes, so Vocal-Eyes didn't automatically read the
screen without a set file. In Linux and Cygwin, it was able to read fine
on
its own because it used BIOS writes. Lynx in Linux is literally at least
twice as fast as DOS as I'm sure you've seen from Shellworld.
On 3/4/2013 11:03 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Still if elinks and mplayer exist ported for DOS, why go through the
> extreme
> mayhem of finding someone local enough to learn speakup and ora and so
> forth
> to teach me in the first place?
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