Hi Kenny, thanks for the info i have just bookmarked the page. Does Y,A,S,R, come with any Linux distros and if so what do you type to start it? I belive meta city works better with Carpurnicus than sawfish. Although if you are only using a text console why do you need a windows manager? Or do you need a GUI to get a text consoul? Thanks again, Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Use text mode (was: Newbie > No. Yasr is a screen reader for text consoles in Unix operating > systems. It runs on Linux FreeBSD, and several other Unix operating > systems. To learn more check out > http://yasr.sourceforge.net > Btw, window managers do what their name says. They manage Windows in a GUI > interface. In X-Windows the Window manager is replacable. Each user on > a Unix system can choose the window manager they like. My system has > metacity and sawfish installed. My girl friend likes sawfish and I like > metacity. The result is her desktop sort of looks lime mine but her > windows act different. > Technically, MS Windows has a window manager but it's part of the > Windows OS and can't be replaced. > > Kenny > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:40:05AM -0000, Stoppard wrote: > > Hi Kenny, > > What is Yasr, is this a screen reader for the extrn windows manager? > > Thanks, > > Nigel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:02 PM > > Subject: Re: Use text mode (was: Newbie > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Access to gnome terminal which is the equivalent of a > > > console in a gnome session is next to useless. If I need access to a > > > console app in a gnome session, I get the best results by using xterm > > > instead of gnome-terminal and launching yasr in the xterm session. > > > Xterm isn't accessible by gnopernicus so doing it this way keeps > > > gnopernicus from talking uselessly. Of course, if I can get to a text > > > console that will always be my first choice. BTW, a text console isn't > > > all command line. I use programs daily with dialogs, list boxes, and tree > > views. > > > > > > The fact I have access to the console with either speakup or yasr has > > > kept me from rebooting when gnopernicus crashes more times that I can > > > count. I'm not the only one who uses my computer so rebooting is not my > > > first choice when a program acts up. > > > I should also say that I've been doing everything I want from the Linux > > > console for 3 years so my only interest in Gnopernicus is the > > > possibility of using mozilla. > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:56:53PM -0000, Stoppard wrote: > > > > Hi Kenny, > > > > why could you not use your computer with just Capernicus? Does it not > > give > > > > you access to the console window? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Nigel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:10 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Use text mode (was: Newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I have gnopernicus 0.7.1 on my system with Gnome 2.4. I believe > > > > > having good access to the console is a requirement to try to use > > > > > Gnopernicus. I upgrade when new versions come out, but Gnopernicus is > > a > > > > > cool toy. There's no way I could use my computer with just > > gnopernicus. > > > > > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Lee_Maschmeyer@xxxxxxxxx > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stoppard, > > > > > > > > > > > > First, Red Hat Fedora is a relatively good choice. They are not > > > > > > abandoning the user community. And (let me go over the spelling of > > > > > > Gnopernicus please: g n o p e r n i c u s) is a part of Fedora > > > > > > standard distribution (version 0.7.0-4), though whether it's usable > > I > > > > > > don't know. brltty, the program that drives braille displays, is > > also > > > > > > a part of that distribution, though it's version 3.2 instead of > > 3.3.1 > > > > > > and they put it in /usr/bin instead of /bin. > > > > > > > > > > > > You probably didn't understand much of the preceding paragraph. I > > did > > > > > > it that way to point out that what you need to learn is not limited > > to > > > > > > the command line; you need to learn a whole new way of thinking. LCR > > > > > > is correct that the best place to start is the command line. Linux > > > > > > (Unix in general) has great on line documentation and, though I have > > > > > > never used Gnopernicus (grin), I'm convinced that getting a good > > > > > > background in command line usage is a leg up in GUI; don't > > > > > > underestimate its importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree with LCR about the alleged speed of open source > > > > > > development. There have been accessibility hooks in X Windows for 10 > > > > > > or 20 years and we still don't have decent accessibility. Better not > > > > > > to hold your breath. Learn now. Anything you learn will not be > > wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 11:24:56AM -0000, Stoppard wrote: > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunatly my knowege of Linux command > > line > > > > is not > > > > > > > good enough to use a text only mode. > > > > > > > Also i think using Red Hat would be questionable since they are in > > the > > > > > > > proccess of abonding the user comunitee and just going into the > > > > enterprise > > > > > > > market. > > > > > > > I think what you said about waiting for GNU Carpurnicus to be > > included > > > > in a > > > > > > > main streem distro is a good idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the web site at the end of your email, very > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Nigel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "L. C. Robinson" <lcr@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:57 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Use text mode (was: Newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Stoppard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... i would probably like to try mandrake with > > > > > > > > > sighted assistance for install, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smarter to go with a more mainstream distro, with > > > > > > > > a financially stable company behind it, such as > > > > > > > > Red Hat (Fedora now) or a Debian variant. Be sure > > > > > > > > you get a current version of whatever you install. > > > > > > > > Download all the updates for it as soon as you are > > > > > > > > done with the initial install, and consider using > > > > > > > > one of the sites that use apt-get (in the case of > > > > > > > > RedHat/Fedora) for updates, to make this and other > > > > > > > > add-ons easy (apt-get originated with Debian). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then try and use GNU Capernicus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why (assuming you are really referring to > > > > > > > > Gnopernicus)? Newbies are setting themselves up > > > > > > > > for frustration if they dabble in development > > > > > > > > stuff. Better to wait for a stable version -- > > > > > > > > good enough that the larger distributors > > > > > > > > conveniently package it for you on the standard > > > > > > > > install media; and in this case, you wouldn't care > > > > > > > > till plenty of application packages work well with > > > > > > > > it. Leave the bleeding edge stuff for experienced > > > > > > > > users for now (and many of us don't care much yet > > > > > > > > either): you won't have to wait long, as open > > > > > > > > source stuff matures quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunatly i don't have much hard drive space, > > > > > > > > > only about two point five to three gigabites > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A text only install would fit fine in that space, > > > > > > > > with room left over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of the reason i want to try Linux is > > > > > > > > > because i am becomeing slightly disoluioned with > > > > > > > > > the price that it will cost me to use windows > > > > > > > > > and screen reader software, which i can not > > > > > > > > > afford. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outstanding text mode functionality is a better > > > > > > > > reason (no one ever learns to use all the text > > > > > > > > stuff that is available fully -- not that any one > > > > > > > > person needs to). And freedom (from lockin, to > > > > > > > > copy, change, etc), is also more important than > > > > > > > > price, though price is certainly an important > > > > > > > > advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LCR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > L. C. Robinson > > > > > > > > reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get > > > > > > > > incompatibility and instability instead. This is > > > > > > > > award winning "innovation". 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