--=======4A6D791C======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7D42645F; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi John, Yes, indeed, while I am definitely a Linux fan, I believe different kinds of technology have their own places. Linux is excellent for fast, reliable server computers, and for computer users who just can't afford expensive operating systems and applications, as well as even more expensive screen readers. Nevertheless, we also can't expect all site designers not to use any "flashy" effects. Making such requirements part of any request for greater accessibility is only going to hurt our cause. I just want decent access, I don't support making specific requirements that a particular site work with an obsolete browser such as Lynx. I am absolutely hopeful, and keeping my fingers crossed with respect to Gnome, Gnupernicus, and other projects for access to the GUI under Linux. If these solutions provide good access to a web browser like Netscape, then all concerns about compatibility with Lynx for Linux users should be somewhat nullified, because blind Linux users would then have the ability to use a modern web browser. Just my $0.02! At 09:50 AM 7/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Darrell, >I use Lynx all the time, and on the majority of Web sites it gives far >better results than IE and Jaws ever did. Of course, BRLTTY has much >better Braille output than Jaws. In any case, I'm not going back to >Windows because some sites insist on using flashy effects. >Oet's hope that Gnome 2 really has good accessibility features and that >the Gnopernicus screen reader really has good Braille output. >John >On Sat, 13 >Jul 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > I'll check this one out shortly, but I do not believe good web site > > accessibility absolutely requires that the site work with Lynx. The Lynx > > browser is quite obsolete in comparison to current technology... If the > > site uses Java Script, and Lynx can't do Java Script, then that's not > > necessarily an accessibility issue if a Java Script capable browser with a > > screen reader can successfully render an accessible result. > > > > We must be careful here; what constitutes accessibility? > > > > Thanks. > > > > At 07:18 PM 7/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hi everybody. > > >ray morgan, the 508 coordinator for the US postal Service, has been > > >corresponding with me re: the inaccessibility of the www.usps.com > site. I had > > >pointed out to him that when using lynx one gets a message about enabling > > >javascript, and when using links-2.0 and above it is impossible to > check out > > >once you have placed something in your cart. He has been diligently > keeping me > > >posted regarding progress on the site. > > >Today he wrote and said that i should be able to purchase and check out > > >now, but > > >he also indicated that javascript support is still needed. He also > indicated > > >that testers found the site works with jaws, though he said some more > work > > >needs > > >to be done. > > >I worte him back and thanked him for all his effort and diligence in > informing > > >me, but also reminded him that usability with jaws and accessibility > are not > > >necessarily the same thing. I pointed out that not everybody wants to > use Jaws > > >and that not everybody who even wants to do so can afford it. I told > him I > > >would > > >let him know what happened when I tried to use the site again. > > >Unfortunately, when I went to the site and again tried to buy stamps, > nothing > > >had changed for me. with links-2.1pre2 I was unable to go through > checkout and > > >with lynx I of course got the same old messages about enabling javascript. > > >I wrote to ray and told him that i would post on this list and see if > somebdy > > >with more technical knowledge than I possess would like to try to help > track > > >down the problem. If anybody is interested in trying to help with this, > > >Ray Morgan's email address is > > >RMORGAN1@email.usps.gov > > > > > >I think he really genuinely is trying to work on this problem. > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >Blinux-list@redhat.com > > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > > > > Best regards, > > Darrell Shandrow > > Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems > administration. > > CompTIA A+ Certified Service Technician! > > > >-- >Computers to Help People, Inc. >http://www.chpi.org >825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 7/10/2002 Best regards, Darrell Shandrow Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems administration. 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