Hello, Thanks to all the people the other day who told me how to get ssh working. That's fine now. The next thing is to do secure ftp. I looked at scp, but it doesn't seem very interactive, or there are so many options that I can't see how it is normally used. This is a common failing of man and even info pages. Thanks. John -- Computers to Help People, Inc. http://www.chpi.org 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703