that is my point, Joel; we shouldn't be "painted into a corner" b a group who was supposedly trying to make books accessible to BLIND people. I don't whine and complain if mainstream sites seem a little challenging to me, but the people designing this site apparently made it unfriendly to say the least even to windows people, if Ann's description means anything. they designed their site so that special software has to be created for each and every OS using it. Then they come up with some half-baked excuse about ssl being all we need to solve the problem; I used ssl on amazon.com just last night so I know better than that. Finally, I see no disclaimer or warning anywhere on their site that a particular OS or particular software is essential, yet they want me to pay $75 for this wonderful opportunity for a year. This is worse in some ways than the Java script issues and buttons without links, etc. that we run into regularly, because this site purports to be for the use of blind people. Only I wonder: who designed it? Blind people, or sighted people who thought they knew what blind people needed, or blind and/or sighted people who were paying no attention to what we (I mean blind people, not just linux users) need or find most useable? When a sighted person 9and this is in windows) has to help a blind person sign up on a site supposedly designed to serve blind people, something is wrong. Let me make it clear that I don't think that everybody is obligated to fulfill my every wish as far as websites or anything else just because i am blind or just because I use linux; I believe that we also have responsibility and necessity for adaptation and program development. But I see no excuse for the kind of website these people designed, targeting a specific minority as they supposedly were.