well said my friend! for the record I do agree with you, and for that matter, see Dave's recent post. perhaps the problem isn't really their site. imho, lynx is falling behind rather quickly. I'm pretty fed up with it, and looking for a reasonable alternative. I'm not singling you out by any means. I don't want to use my windows machine exclusively, but it's becoming my choice more and more often. I kinda feel like my mac using friends who shed a few tears and buy their first pc. there's tons of potential in linux. it's growing every day. I've put some time into exploring the gnome stuff, and in ... several months/years the gap stuff may work well enough. this console-based paradigm has got to go though. it's cool and powerful, but getting to me. Again, I love the irony of the website being hard to use by a blind linux user. J -----Original Message----- From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 6:09 PM To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: bookshare inaccessible? that is my point, Joel; we shouldn't be "painted into a corner" b a group who was supposedly trying to make books accessible to BLIND people. I don't whine and complain if mainstream sites seem a little challenging to me, but the people designing this site apparently made it unfriendly to say the least even to windows people, if Ann's description means anything. they designed their site so that special software has to be created for each and every OS using it. Then they come up with some half-baked excuse about ssl being all we need to solve the problem; I used ssl on amazon.com just last night so I know better than that. Finally, I see no disclaimer or warning anywhere on their site that a particular OS or particular software is essential, yet they want me to pay $75 for this wonderful opportunity for a year. This is worse in some ways than the Java script issues and buttons without links, etc. that we run into regularly, because this site purports to be for the use of blind people. Only I wonder: who designed it? Blind people, or sighted people who thought they knew what blind people needed, or blind and/or sighted people who were paying no attention to what we (I mean blind people, not just linux users) need or find most useable? When a sighted person 9and this is in windows) has to help a blind person sign up on a site supposedly designed to serve blind people, something is wrong. Let me make it clear that I don't think that everybody is obligated to fulfill my every wish as far as websites or anything else just because i am blind or just because I use linux; I believe that we also have responsibility and necessity for adaptation and program development. But I see no excuse for the kind of website these people designed, targeting a specific minority as they supposedly were. _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list