Hi Jared. The reason that all web sites are not accessable from linux is that people are too lazy to learn html properly, and rely on front page, or some other tool that produces html for you. Java isn't the problem, it's java script that is. I agree that I may have been able to learn a lot of the languages I know in windows, but as far as I'm concerned, windows is very ineffecient for a blind person to use. sure, you need to spend the time to learn the command-line interface, but it's much faster to copy files, and do just about anything else in linux than it is in windows. I'm sorry I came down on you so hard, but all I've heard on about 4 or 5 blindness lists for the past 6 months is how wonderful windows is, and how lousy linux is. I can do just about anything I want to do in Linux, accept go to chat rooms, and if people would put up a few speakfreely reflectors, that wouldn't be a problem either. I can make my own cds, including producing the .wav files to burn them with, of my own music. I can listen to .mp3 files, as well as create them either from cds or wav files I create myself. I can do sirches using emacspeak far easier than with msie5.5. and I don't have to worry about having to pay $75.00 to $150 to upgrade screen readers and software, because it's all free. With debian linux, you never have to reinstall. Once it's installed, you can upgrade your system at anytime with debian. I'm planning on getting a new video card soon. Take care. -- Rick Hayner rhayner@complink.net Member spebsqsa, Baritone Kalamazoo Mall City Chorus. Amateur radio station wa8jqv