For the installation we selected everything and got the hard drive partitioned with disk druid. I got to put the parameter in for lilo and eventually got asked to put the second cd in and hit ok. No problem more files were being installed. Then I dozed off for a little bit and when I woke up all was silent. I used the keys to find out what was on the screen and found the whole system had locked and control had gone away from the keyboard. I take it that this is the penguin's way of telling me I neeed more installation practice. Though next time when packages start installing I'll disconnect the litetalk from the computer. I found that allows installation to go much faster. My install also warns me it's time to run e2fsck because check time has been reached but then goes on to do the install. I hope that's not why the linux installation won't come up talking. I think we're further ahead of the game though since we have the disk partitioned and formatted provided we can skip that step. The boot disk I have loads speakup 0.9 on the system. I'll get an update if one's available and needed but before I try another installation of this system. I did try bringing up linux on the hard drive with floppy and cd removed and the speech synthesier was detected but the installation came up silent this time too so I'll try this again tomorrow night. Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>