It's secure shell. Basically, encrypted telnet connections, and more. At 08:37 AM 11/20/01 -0600, you wrote: >hi luke, and listers. luke, I have heard of ssh but, wasn't sure just >what that is. is that something like telnet, or like a mod just wondering. >thanks >charles > > >On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Luke Davis wrote: > >> For streaming you would use something dynamic such as SSH, not PGP. >> However I see your point. >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote: >> >> > Wow, so how would the public/private key encryption work to get the books >> > rolling? I suppose, using something like pgp, I could generate you a key if >> > I were the publisher and send it to you on a disk, and encrypt all the >> > content I want you to have with it. But this involves a manual process for >> > every individual. Thus for example, pgp shoutcast can't exist, in the >> > current protocols since only one key can decrypt any one data stream. And >> > also, some how you have to turn the encrypted content in to audio that can >> > be transmitted through such things if you wanted a pay to hear audio stream >> > for whatever it be. I was thinking of the idea once, but winamp would choke >> > on the encrypted mp3 stream and refuse to transmit it, although in linux to >> > decode you could theoretically do something like >> > lynx --source http://aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:port | pgp -d >> > and enter your password for your private key. >> > At 11:46 AM 11/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >> > >Martin, your message is apt and to the point. And, your instinct for a >> > >FREE software digital talking book player is also on the mark. Now is a >> > >very, very good time for such a player to come into existence. As someone >> > >who continues to be very involved in the development of the NISO/DAISY dtb >> > >standard, I'd like to pose a challenge to the programmers among us: >> > > >> > >Please give us a dtb player or two which supports the new NISO/DAISY >> > >standards--mostly. I say"mostly" because it is not the end of the world if >> > >you can't immediately support MPEG. Please know that the NISO/DAISY >> > >standards people are keenly aware of the problems posed by specifying >> > >MPEG. Regretably, ogg-vorbis was not judged ready for prime time yet--so >> > >if someone wants to work on that, that would also be helpful, because we >> > >truly need a GPL compression package that provides quality files that will >> > >compete well with MPEG. >> > > >> > >Let me say why we need a GPL dtb player right now. I am seriously >> > >concerned that agencies will impose some kind of encryption technologies >> > >which they will not want to describe to GPL programmers. That would be >> > >most unfortunate. Far better, imho, for this community to show that a GPL >> > >player can really do the job of accessing (both text and audio) dtbs well. >> > >Far better to show that public/private key encryption may just be adequate >> > >enough. >> > > >> > >The pendulum has swung away from tight controls, at least among the >> > >libraries that serve our communities today. Frankly, the earlier version >> > >of the NISO standard was a bit stricter about copyright enforcement--what >> > >the publishers like to call "Digital Rights Management." I think even our >> > >earlier, stricter model was still smarter than what we've been seeing from >> > >commercial ebook publishers. The commercial publishers are putting the >> > >onus on the user and are killing industry prospects by doing so. The >> > >earlier recommendations are still online at: >> > > >> > > http://www.loc.gov/nls/niso/drm.htm >> > > >> > >In summary, this earlier document expects that some, but certainly not >> > >all, titles produced as digital talking books will need to be restricted >> > >to qualified recipients in order to maintain long standing programs of >> > >free access to books--as with NLS here in the U.S. This would also apply >> > >to U.S. agencies such as RFB&D. It would, in fact, be the copyright >> > >management scheme which would distinguish titles produced in the NISO >> > >standard as qualified titles under the so-called "Chafee Amendement" to >> > >U.S. Copyright law. Chafee is a good thing, and we should not lose it. >> > > >> > >The DMCA is another matter entirely. The NISO thinking was to put the >> > >emphasis on catching willful violaters, not on needlessly encumbering >> > >honest users. My expectation is that public/private key can do this very >> > >well--and can do it in a platform independ matter. >> > > >> > >Of course there's a chicken and egg aspect to all of this. Who would build >> > >a player when there's nothing to play? How would one even test it? Yet, I >> > >would think that this community would not want to leave the definitions of >> > >what's possible to agencies who are far more steeped in proprietary >> > >software than is probably good for the community at large. So, let me >> > >simply offer this: I will find some NISO/DAISY content for you to test a >> > >player with if you are building a GPL player and need something to work >> > >with. Just write me privately. >> > > >> > >Lastly, let me say just a little more about how much content is actually >> > >out there. There is virtually none in the newest version of the standard >> > >simply because it's still not 100% nailed down. The NISO folks have until >> > >December 17 to vote on the specifications that were submitted to them just >> > >a few weeks ago. You should know that we truly do not expect any problems >> > >with this voting, and we do expect a lovely Christmas pressent shortly >> > >after December 17. >> > > >> > >There is a fair amount of content available to earlier incarnations of the >> > >digital talking book specifications as produced by DAISY. In particular, >> > >it may be important for players to support the new NISO/DAISY >> > >specifications at: >> > > >> > > http://www.loc.gov/nls/niso >> > > >> > >as well as the older, DAISY 2.0 specifications which can be found at: >> > > >> > > http://www.daisy.org >> > > >> > >In particular, RFB&D has been quietly testing textbooks in several K-12 >> > >schools for blind children around the U.S. They are hoping to begin >> > >offering about 3,000 titles encoded in DAISY 2.0 to all their clients >> > >sometime during 2002. Also, the talking book programs at CNIB and RNIB >> > >(U.K.) are expecting to launch programs for their clients in the spring of >> > >2002 with approximately2,500 titles in each. So, as you can see, content >> > >does already exist in the older DAISY 2.0 specification, though it is not >> > >yet generally available. >> > > >> > >Last point on the encryption issues. We expect that whatever copyright >> > >based encryption/decryption is involved needs to be nationally based. In >> > >other words, the laws that authorize free programs for blind (and >> > >otherwise print disabled) people differ country to country. So, any >> > >support for a particular solution needs to be modular in order to handle >> > >such national differences. >> > > >> > >I want to end on a more cheerful point. Even mainstream publishers are >> > >beginning to realize that encumbering users is a bad way to promote the >> > >value of electronic publishing. Please take a look at this website: >> > > >> > > http://www.openanebook.org >> > > >> > >It is intended to be a place for publishers of all kinds to offer their >> > >free content and their free tools. So, if you know of any, please offer >> > >them up there. And, if you have influence with any blindness agency or >> > >ebook publishers, please get them to join DAISY and/or OEBF. We need >> > >broader participation in both places in order to realize a vision of >> > >epublishing which creates accessible titles that are comfortable and fun >> > >to use while still paying authors and editors for the value they add. >> > > >> > > >> > > On >> > >Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: >> > > >> > >> I certainly hope that players for DTB's will be available >> > >> for Linux when the technology actually begins to bear fruit. >> > >> >> > >> This truly is a wonderful next step in the Talking Book >> > >> program. Just think of the logistical problems of moving and >> > >> caring for physical materials that this solves. There will still >> > >> need to be traditional Talking Books for many years to come, but >> > >> I think this is the future and it may get to a point where there >> > >> won't need to be as many physical recordings produced as there >> > >> are now. >> > >> >> > >> The one thing I see as holding things up is the one >> > >> artificial technical issue and that is DRM or Digital Rights >> > >> Management. >> > >> >> > >> How is that going to be accomplished? The standards >> > >> document simply says that digital rights management will be >> > >> supported but probably wisely does not prescribe exactly what >> > >> sort of mechanism will be used. >> > >> >> > >> Hopefully, being eligible to receive traditional Talking >> > >> Books and Braille materials will enable one to also receive any >> > >> DTB's they are entitled to receive. >> > >> >> > >> In the main-stream consumer world, digital rights >> > >> management has not been doing too well. Some systems are hacked >> > >> almost before they are released. Other systems tend to do the >> > >> opposite and malfunction in ways their developers never thought >> > >> of to cause honest users of the technology to be denied service. >> > >> >> > >> Some rights management systems have even gained the >> > >> distinction of suffering from both maladies. The crackers >> > >> de fang the protection and the honest users discover that the >> > >> software thinks they are thieves because of something their >> > >> equipment or they accidentally did. >> > >> >> > >> This issue, not technology, has held up everything from >> > >> digital audio tape a decade or so ago to present-day high-definition >> > >> television systems. >> > >> >> > >> Linux and FreeBSD should actually be good test beds for >> > >> this technology because it is based on open-source models and any >> > >> hanky panky mechanisms such as back doors or scripting >> > >> applications are a little easier to police than they are in >> > >> proprietary operating systems. >> > >> >> > >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK >> > >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> >> > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > >> >> > > >> > >-- >> > > >> > > Janina Sajka, Director >> > > Technology Research and Development >> > > Governmental Relations Group >> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > > >> > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> > > >> > >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> > >http://www.openebook.org >> > > >> > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, >> > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp >> > > >> > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther >> > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at >> > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp >> > > >> > >Learn how to make accessible software at >> > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > > >> > >Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >