To each his own. That's what makes all this stuff interesting. Pine has no learning curve and I never use the menus. Just type the letters and go directly to the place you want to be. For me, command-line stuff is ok, but, command line options are too much to remember and key-stroke commands that don't make logical sense are hard to remember too. Why clutter one's brain with useless info that will change with the next product or version anyway. I'd rather remember what people say in their e-mails rather than the command-line options and odd-ball keystrokes I need to decode the info. -- Bill Gaughan wgaughan@snet.net