since you have an option of 20 or 32 cells, you would think you could buy a 0-cell option... then add them in later or something. just a thought. it would be a bit lighter and a lot cheaper for those who think money is an issue (all of us?) I personally coulden't live without braille, but some people actually prefer speech. J -----Original Message----- From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Tommy Craig Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:13 PM To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out There isn't a speech only version planned. Since Papenmeier is primarily a Braille display manufacturer, I doubt that there will be one. There isn't an online demo available. I'm not sure if they will make that available or not. You really need to get your hands on one to appreciate it. There is a description of its features available at http://www.sighted.com. Tommy _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list