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me neither.
that was not my quote.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Hello!


May i suggest that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing? Case in
point,
David, ... what, pray, is linux 5.2?? There's no such thing as far as I
know.


 On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, David Poehlman wrote:

> I have not been watching this thread but just tuned in and have some
> passages I want to respond to below with responses marked with dp:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John G. Heim (26 2-9887)" <jheim@doit.wisc.edu>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Hello!
>
>
> At 04:41 PM 12/3/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >install.
> >May I now simply suggest that you are wrong if for no other reason
than
> >that I blind person will be very hard pressed to install Windows at
all
> >without assistance?
>
> I'm not sure what I said that you think this disproves. My point is
that
> it
> takes more knowledge to run a linux machine than a Windows machine. I
> never
> said windows can be installed without sighted assistance. The original
> questioner doesn't have a speech synthesizer so he can't install
either
> linux or windows without sighted assistance.
> dp: it is possible to install windows without sighted assistance but
you
> need to know how to do it.  I am not certain that this is the case
with
> linux but would wager that if the propper planning were done and the
> propper scripts available, it could be.
>
> About six months ago, I had a lightning strike at my home and lost the
> hard
> drive on both my Windows 95 and linux 5.2 machines. I bought 2 new
hard
> drives and got Windows millenium and red hat 7.1 from the university.
> Since
> I don't have a synthesizer, I needed sighted assistance for both
> installs.
> The linux install took a lot longer and took much more technical
> knowledge.
>
> But that's okay. Of course it takes more knowledge to install linux
than
> windows millenium. Linux is way more powerful than windows millenium.
>
> dp: I take it that you mean that linux out of the box is way more
> powerful than windows millennium or any windows system for that matter
> and I won't take issue with that.  I would say though that again, with
> propper nknow how, you can do anything in windows that you can do in
> linux  I am a windows user but a linux fan by the way so I am not
> bashing linux but want to keep the record streight.
>
> Windows is "easier" mailnly because doesn't do as much as linux. A
good
> example of this point is file permissions. Can you even set file
> permissions in windows millenium? It doesn't really matter because you
> don't need them anyway.
> dp: you can set file permissions but not in the way you think of file
> permissions.  you can tell windows that you want files to behave in
> certain ways such as be hidden, system or read only files if you know
> how to do it.
>
> If you're going to use linux, you probably need to learn about file
> permissions. How hard is that? Well, for some people it might be hard.
>
> Comparing apples to oranges? Yes! In fact, that's partly my point.
Linux
> does bzillions of things windows doesn't. That's why it takes so much
> more
> knowledge to use. If you're going to use linux, you should be prepared
> to
> go through the process of acquiring that knowledge. Not everybody is
> going
> to want to do that.
> dp: I'd like a list of things that windows does not do that linux
does.
> I can find a way to do them.
>
> Note too that my own example is rather esoteric. Most machines come
with
> Windows pre-installed. Even if you replace the hard drive, you can
> usually
> boot from the old one, install windows on the new one, and then reboot
> from
> the new one -- all without sighted assistance.
>
> dp: none the less, I have started from an oss less hd and installed
> windows from scratch with little to no sighted assistance and no
screen
> reader.
>
> --
> John G. Heim
> WiscINFO Customer Service Coordinator
> Division of Information Technology
> jheim@doit.wisc.edu
> 608-262-9887
>
>
>
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