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RH 5.2 (obviously).



At 11:35 AM 12/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
>May i suggest that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing? Case in point,
>David, ... what, pray, is linux 5.2?? There's no such thing as far as I
>know.
>
>
>  On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > I have not been watching this thread but just tuned in and have some
> > passages I want to respond to below with responses marked with dp:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John G. Heim (26 2-9887)" <jheim@doit.wisc.edu>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: Hello!
> >
> >
> > At 04:41 PM 12/3/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >install.
> > >May I now simply suggest that you are wrong if for no other reason than
> > >that I blind person will be very hard pressed to install Windows at all
> > >without assistance?
> >
> > I'm not sure what I said that you think this disproves. My point is that
> > it
> > takes more knowledge to run a linux machine than a Windows machine. I
> > never
> > said windows can be installed without sighted assistance. The original
> > questioner doesn't have a speech synthesizer so he can't install either
> > linux or windows without sighted assistance.
> > dp: it is possible to install windows without sighted assistance but you
> > need to know how to do it.  I am not certain that this is the case with
> > linux but would wager that if the propper planning were done and the
> > propper scripts available, it could be.
> >
> > About six months ago, I had a lightning strike at my home and lost the
> > hard
> > drive on both my Windows 95 and linux 5.2 machines. I bought 2 new hard
> > drives and got Windows millenium and red hat 7.1 from the university.
> > Since
> > I don't have a synthesizer, I needed sighted assistance for both
> > installs.
> > The linux install took a lot longer and took much more technical
> > knowledge.
> >
> > But that's okay. Of course it takes more knowledge to install linux than
> > windows millenium. Linux is way more powerful than windows millenium.
> >
> > dp: I take it that you mean that linux out of the box is way more
> > powerful than windows millennium or any windows system for that matter
> > and I won't take issue with that.  I would say though that again, with
> > propper nknow how, you can do anything in windows that you can do in
> > linux  I am a windows user but a linux fan by the way so I am not
> > bashing linux but want to keep the record streight.
> >
> > Windows is "easier" mailnly because doesn't do as much as linux. A good
> > example of this point is file permissions. Can you even set file
> > permissions in windows millenium? It doesn't really matter because you
> > don't need them anyway.
> > dp: you can set file permissions but not in the way you think of file
> > permissions.  you can tell windows that you want files to behave in
> > certain ways such as be hidden, system or read only files if you know
> > how to do it.
> >
> > If you're going to use linux, you probably need to learn about file
> > permissions. How hard is that? Well, for some people it might be hard.
> >
> > Comparing apples to oranges? Yes! In fact, that's partly my point. Linux
> > does bzillions of things windows doesn't. That's why it takes so much
> > more
> > knowledge to use. If you're going to use linux, you should be prepared
> > to
> > go through the process of acquiring that knowledge. Not everybody is
> > going
> > to want to do that.
> > dp: I'd like a list of things that windows does not do that linux does.
> > I can find a way to do them.
> >
> > Note too that my own example is rather esoteric. Most machines come with
> > Windows pre-installed. Even if you replace the hard drive, you can
> > usually
> > boot from the old one, install windows on the new one, and then reboot
> > from
> > the new one -- all without sighted assistance.
> >
> > dp: none the less, I have started from an oss less hd and installed
> > windows from scratch with little to no sighted assistance and no screen
> > reader.
> >
> > --
> > John G. Heim
> > WiscINFO Customer Service Coordinator
> > Division of Information Technology
> > jheim@doit.wisc.edu
> > 608-262-9887
> >
> >
> >
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