Very eloquently put brethren "+1" On Sep 27, 2012 9:33 PM, "Martín Cigorraga" <msx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also > agree with all the following emails. > Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about > http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that. > > I only want to add an observation to what was already said: > Tipically all this flame seems to arise at the gates of new'n profound > changes and as such it's perfectly understandable that these kind of things > happens. > We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: > 1. loves to know. While we are glad to solve a specific issue that's > graying our hair, we will *not* be satisfied until we understand what the > hell was happening and all the inner workings of that - that's a fact. > 2. we don't like to let anybody hold our hand (well, I would let Eva Mendes > hold mine... ) and as such we tend to be a bit grumpy about those users who > come for help without actually _thinking_ about what can be the problem or > at least without searching the forums, the wiki and the intertubes. On the > other hand we are totally open to those folks that come with a problem > explaining what's happenig, what they did and the results (in part because > we enjoy solving these puzzles). > 3. we are mostly self taught, autodidacts. As such we each develop an > almost _unique_ way to interact with our systems and as such are our > viewpoints about general GNU/Linux and F/LOSS and everything's else in > life: yeah, we are free thinkers. > 4. as a result of above we usually tailor our systems to our own personal > taste and way to use it. > 5. as a result of above we usually have a *strong* opinion about things, > specially that things that may/will change the way we use our system - and > here is when flames arise. > 6. in the end we all love Arch with it's drawbacks -thankfully not many- > and all it awesomeness, and deeply we know that while there are some > aspects that aren't exactly the way we expect or at least how we would like > them to be, the reality is that when we see how other distros works, when > we have to deal with other distros because work, support to friends, our > LUGs or anything else, we don't like them: while there may be some puntual > things that may appeal to us the overall system _don't_! So Arch Linux's > the way, what else? (At least this is how I feel regarding the rest of > GNU/Linux distros since I first meet Arch a few years ago.) > > As a result of above I forsee more flaming in the future whenever a > critical update or shift (like systemd is) come, that's shitty but's a > natural reaction and thus we need to remain patient to passionate arguments > and stubborn people - which in no way means to sacrifice our opinions. > Regarding the flow of new users it's likely they *must* learn our house > rules rather to we accomodate to them. I consider the forums, the wiki, > this list and Arch Linux in general as my house in what F/LOSS regards and > I don't like to see it vandalized - and wont allow that. > A bit of trolling is funny as well too much politeness is insufferable and > I can accomodate a low-hit if a say or ask for something stupid -and I will > be the first to make laugh of myself for that- but newcomers should to be > _clearly_ aware that we don't like nor support bad attitude and that we can > hold their hands only to help them start: in this regard I can say Arch > Linux is one of the most both friendly and connoisseur communities abroad > GNU/Linux-land and I'm most grateful for it for help me start using this > great distro when I first switched from *buntu-land. > > I'm but sure that now the systemd adoption is a fact we will have peaceful > times ahead with the usual chit-chat and the new technologie seek-for-aid > mails so I vote to give us -this list- some time before commit any change > like splitting or anything else. > Also I would like to encourage any dev, TU or skillful users that might > have unsubscribed in the recent time to subscribe again an help push > arch-general to it's greatest potential. > > Greetings! >
