On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht <nsebrecht@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: > >> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. > > The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter > threads. Users are correct to think such discussion should happen here. > > The problem is that maintainers, developers and advanced users want > quality and constructive discussions. But this kind of contribution > should happen on the archlinux-dev mailing list which is currently not > possible because it's _closed_. The problem is that the dev list should > be *open* to subscriptions. Trolling naturally does not happen in such > list -- or die very fast -- because of the direct relationship of the > discussions with the code and the maintenance jobs. > > Instead of fragmenting more the mailing lists with the hope of putting > poor contributions out of place for advanced users, let enter the > technical oriented users into the dev mailing list. Also, this would not > let maintainers break from the constructive users with massive > unsubscriptions from here. > > BTW, I find it's a shame that advanced users with technical and valid > messages have to *fork* a thread from the dev list to the general list > (or post a new request to the general list) with the *hope* that a > maintainer/developer catch the reply in the other public mailing list. > And no, I don't find requesting in private is a solution, either. > > The problem is not at the general mailing list but at the dev mailing > list side. > For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there seems to be more helpful comments and less trolling than in the general list - just an observation - maybe that is because the forums are split into a number of topic specific separate forums - eg installation, kernel, server/networking newbie etc. -- mike c
