On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:19 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 17:49 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > > On 28 November 2010 11:24, Yaro Kasear <yaro@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > >> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > >> > I don't see KDE upstream doing that. They have Phonon. What's more, most > > >> > KDE apps today count on Phonon being there. KDE upstream won't do that > > >> > without expecting to break KDE. > > >> > > >> Admittedly my view on this is skewed, since I follow PA's development > > >> pretty closely, but one of the devs on PA (Colin Guthrie) has mentioned > > >> getting various patches he's done for Mandriva's KDE implementation such > > >> that KDE's mixer and such supports pulseaudio natively. Phonon would > > >> output directly to pulse in that case, I believe. > > >> > > > > > > The point of which would be what exactly? All due respect, Phonon is > > > already a sound daemon. To output sound through a sound daemon into > > > ANOTHER sound daemon, particularly one as poor as Pulse Audio, is > > > begging for latency and who knows how many other problems. > > > > > > And, again, it's redundant and unnecessary since Phonon's already a good > > > sound daemon on its own merits. > > > > In fact, it handles all my audio pretty well, and even lets JACK take > > over when needed without my intervention. There's no PulseAudio or a > > kill command in that equation. > > I'll take both your words on it. Its worth noting that Pulseaudio > automatically corks when JACK wants a sound-device (jack2 that is, not > jack1). Running phonon atop pulseaudio wouldn't make sense if every app > uses phonon. Due to other considerations (for example that all the major > distros are pushing pulse), this may not be the case in the future. > > > > Anyway, Jan, everything works great, no troubles (with libpulse and > > without pulseaudio) on KDE. Good job. > > Yes, the lack of complaints (about actual problems) is really > surprising. > It's probably because the masses of people who already know Pulse Audio will break their sound aren't bothering to try it. I have a whole IRC channel filled with people who, if they were to actually test this, would FLOOD this entire discussion with problems that would make the Arch devs reconsider this decision.
