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I've done BGI-POS on a SAS DC-8. I don't believe it was carrying any
rev. pax. Just some young nephews from a BWIA crew member.
Gee, when was the last time SAS flew to BGI?
Matthew
BGI - Grantley Adams International - Bridgetown, Barbados
POS - Piarco, Port of Spain, Trinidad
On 7-Sep-04, at 3:54 PM, Michael C. Berch wrote:
> Speaking of LY's LAX-JFK-TLV service, I remember at some point LY had a
> U.S. affiliate, North American Airlines, which did the U.S.
> feeder/aggregation service for LY's transatlantic flights, to avoid
> some of the foreign-airlines traffic rights issues, like LAX-JFK which
> would have been cabotage/Eighth Freedom (not Fifth Freedom). Is this
> still the case? And I believe LY had some sort of ownership interest
> in North American (not a majority which would have been legally
> prohibited).
>
> As for Fifth Freedom flights, I've taken at least two -- El Al from JFK
> to LHR, in 1968, my first trip abroad with my parents, and Singapore
> from SFO-(HNL)-HKG in 1989. (HNL was a technical stop only, no O/D
> traffic. It was eliminated when SQ brought the 744s on to replace
> 743s.) Other flights might have been intra-Europe, but I'd have to
> consult my log.
>
> --
> Michael C. Berch
> mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Travel Pages wrote:
>
>> El Al actually ferried travel agents for free JFK-LAX. The point, as
>> noted below, was that these rights of course only impact paying
>> customers. Similarly these runs can be used by a carrier to ferry
>> people/equipment between points where they have a presence.
>>
>> Dennis W Zeuch <DZTOPS@xxxxxxx> wrote:mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>>
>>> I thought an airline couldn't even carry staff if they didn't have
>>> traffic
>>> rights?
>>>
>>
>> No problem-was a regular deal on everyone (Maybe it had to be a 'free'
>> pass
>> without service charge or some other minor regulation) I think the
>> rules only
>> applied to paying passengers not freebies or 'free cargo-service
>> freight,
>> catering materials, mechanical items etc'' Those empty legs where
>> revenue freight
>> and psgrs couldnt be carried went out full of service cargo and other
>> airline
>> staff.
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
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I've done BGI-POS on a SAS DC-8. I don't believe it was carrying any
rev. pax. Just some young nephews from a BWIA crew member.
Gee, when was the last time SAS flew to BGI?
Matthew
BGI - Grantley Adams International - Bridgetown, Barbados
POS - Piarco, Port of Spain, Trinidad
<bold> </bold>
On 7-Sep-04, at 3:54 PM, Michael C. Berch wrote:
<excerpt>Speaking of LY's LAX-JFK-TLV service, I remember at some
point LY had a
U.S. affiliate, North American Airlines, which did the U.S.
feeder/aggregation service for LY's transatlantic flights, to avoid
some of the foreign-airlines traffic rights issues, like LAX-JFK which
would have been cabotage/Eighth Freedom (not Fifth Freedom). Is this
still the case? And I believe LY had some sort of ownership interest
in North American (not a majority which would have been legally
prohibited).
As for Fifth Freedom flights, I've taken at least two -- El Al from JFK
to LHR, in 1968, my first trip abroad with my parents, and Singapore
from SFO-(HNL)-HKG in 1989. (HNL was a technical stop only, no O/D
traffic. It was eliminated when SQ brought the 744s on to replace
743s.) Other flights might have been intra-Europe, but I'd have to
consult my log.
--
Michael C. Berch
mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Travel Pages wrote:
<excerpt>El Al actually ferried travel agents for free JFK-LAX. The
point, as
noted below, was that these rights of course only impact paying
customers. Similarly these runs can be used by a carrier to ferry
people/equipment between points where they have a presence.
Dennis W Zeuch <<DZTOPS@xxxxxxx> wrote:mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx writes:
<excerpt>I thought an airline couldn't even carry staff if they didn't
have
traffic
rights?
</excerpt>
No problem-was a regular deal on everyone (Maybe it had to be a 'free'
pass
without service charge or some other minor regulation) I think the
rules only
applied to paying passengers not freebies or 'free cargo-service
freight,
catering materials, mechanical items etc'' Those empty legs where
revenue freight
and psgrs couldnt be carried went out full of service cargo and other
airline
staff.
Dennis
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.
</excerpt></excerpt>
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