I think LY also used Tower Air as a feeder for it's transatlantic flights. Mark Quoting "Michael C. Berch" <mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > Speaking of LY's LAX-JFK-TLV service, I remember at some point LY had a > U.S. affiliate, North American Airlines, which did the U.S. > feeder/aggregation service for LY's transatlantic flights, to avoid > some of the foreign-airlines traffic rights issues, like LAX-JFK which > would have been cabotage/Eighth Freedom (not Fifth Freedom). Is this > still the case? And I believe LY had some sort of ownership interest > in North American (not a majority which would have been legally > prohibited). > > As for Fifth Freedom flights, I've taken at least two -- El Al from JFK > to LHR, in 1968, my first trip abroad with my parents, and Singapore > from SFO-(HNL)-HKG in 1989. (HNL was a technical stop only, no O/D > traffic. It was eliminated when SQ brought the 744s on to replace > 743s.) Other flights might have been intra-Europe, but I'd have to > consult my log. > > -- > Michael C. Berch > mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Travel Pages wrote: > > > El Al actually ferried travel agents for free JFK-LAX. The point, as > > noted below, was that these rights of course only impact paying > > customers. Similarly these runs can be used by a carrier to ferry > > people/equipment between points where they have a presence. > > > > Dennis W Zeuch <DZTOPS@xxxxxxx> wrote:mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > > >> I thought an airline couldn't even carry staff if they didn't have > >> traffic > >> rights? > >> > > > > No problem-was a regular deal on everyone (Maybe it had to be a 'free' > > pass > > without service charge or some other minor regulation) I think the > > rules only > > applied to paying passengers not freebies or 'free cargo-service > > freight, > > catering materials, mechanical items etc'' Those empty legs where > > revenue freight > > and psgrs couldnt be carried went out full of service cargo and other > > airline > > staff. > > Dennis > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > > >