Re: fifth freedom rights sure are interesting

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I think LY also used Tower Air as a feeder for it's transatlantic flights.

Mark

Quoting "Michael C. Berch" <mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Speaking of LY's LAX-JFK-TLV service, I remember at some point LY had a
> U.S. affiliate, North American Airlines, which did the U.S.
> feeder/aggregation service for LY's transatlantic flights, to avoid
> some of the foreign-airlines traffic rights issues, like LAX-JFK which
> would have been cabotage/Eighth Freedom (not Fifth Freedom). Is this
> still the case?  And I believe LY had some sort of ownership interest
> in North American (not a majority which would have been legally
> prohibited).
>
> As for Fifth Freedom flights, I've taken at least two -- El Al from JFK
> to LHR, in 1968, my first trip abroad with my parents, and Singapore
> from SFO-(HNL)-HKG in 1989.  (HNL was a technical stop only, no O/D
> traffic.  It was eliminated when SQ brought the 744s on to replace
> 743s.)  Other flights might have been intra-Europe, but I'd have to
> consult my log.
>
> --
> Michael C. Berch
> mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Travel Pages wrote:
>
> > El Al actually ferried travel agents for free JFK-LAX.  The point, as
> > noted below, was that these rights of course only impact paying
> > customers.  Similarly these runs can be used by a carrier to ferry
> > people/equipment between points where they have a presence.
> >
> > Dennis W Zeuch <DZTOPS@xxxxxxx> wrote:mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> >
> >> I thought an airline couldn't even carry staff if they didn't have
> >> traffic
> >> rights?
> >>
> >
> > No problem-was a regular deal on everyone (Maybe it had to be a 'free'
> > pass
> > without service charge or some other minor regulation) I think the
> > rules only
> > applied to paying passengers not freebies or 'free cargo-service
> > freight,
> > catering materials, mechanical items etc'' Those empty legs where
> > revenue freight
> > and psgrs couldnt be carried went out full of service cargo and other
> > airline
> > staff.
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
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