Donald You missed the point totally. Once again as I said in the earlier posting People equate airports with terminal buildings because thats all they see. The subject was ATC (Air Traffic Control) wannabies. ATC does not care about the amenities of a terminal building. They're concern is the "airport movement" areas. ie runways and taxiways. Even the ramp/gate (non-movement) areas at airports like ORD and PIT as well as many others is totally controlled by the specific companies. I most instances at theses airports thew first time they talk to Ground control is when they are pushed back with the engines started and the are at the "hot spot" (#1 to leave the non-movement) area. You can have the largest most modern terminal building(s) that if you do not have the runway and taxiway structure would remain empty. Almost all major airports are land locked. That's why Denver was moved to the middle of nowhere. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Mamula" <mamula@xxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: ATC Wannabies? > On 15 Jan 2004 at 9:19, Allan9 wrote: > > > The airport was built to accomodate both aircraft and passenger movements. > > Maximum use of runways. Most airports all the people think about is the > > terminal building(s). DFW is another example. The old time airports > > ORD/PIT/CLE/DTW etc all grew up piecemeal. They were and still are playing > > catch up. > > I would agree with you on ORD and CLE, but PIT and the new terminal > at DTW were most assuredly results of today's hub environment. I can > tell you that the O&D at PIT in no way justifies that large a > terminal. And DTW was designed as a one-airline hub. > > When you think about it....what airports have really been built (or > greatly expanded/rebuilt) since the hub/spoke concept was developed? > You'll find they have either been designed as hubs (PIT/DTW/CVG/CLT) > or as end points of spokes (MCO/TPA). DFW just took its existing > design and copied it for crappy hub connections. Just ask any AA or > DL flier who had to get from one end of a horseshoe to another. >