Scott, are you saying that NW10s are better? Although my only KLM experience are two trips on 733 and one way AMS-DTW 743 in 1993 my last summer's MSP-SEA DC10 trip was a nightmare. The plane was very tired and it definately showed its age. It was doing MEM-MSP-SEA so it may be domestic version but as far as I know they continue to NRT from SEA. BAHA Not a fan of people who don't close the shades during the movie -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Scott Kinniburgh Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:06 AM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: 747M The 747 mixed aircraft is very small aircraft on the "inside"... The last row of seats on a standard KLM747 are in the high 60s....I sat in row 66 and there were still a few rows behind me... On the mixed aircraft the last row is 45 (but the first to be served food). All KLM mixed 747-300 and 400 series aircraft hold 7 pallets of cargo in the rear... Whoever said a KLM 747 and a NW DC10 aircraft are about the same..... is wrong.... talk about being on some heavy tranquilizers to compare NW service with KLM nazi staff, BUT KLM can always gurarntee you one thing...... a sore body for several days as you feel the DVT run its course... How about that for a parting gift? Scott SFO Not looking forward to my next KLM experience. Taking my airfare savings to pay for future DVT txs.