On Sun, 2023-09-24 at 22:33 -0700, Dave Close wrote: > The principal advantage is that I get to see what the system is doing > during boot and login. I strongly dislike any interface that tries > to make things "simple" by hiding what it does. I don't trust things > that are hidden from view. I detest that, too. But I just remove "rhgb" from the kernel line, letting it always boot showing me what it's up to. And sometimes remove "quiet," if I needed to diagnose a problem. Hitting escape, or some other key, doesn't help if the system is ignoring the keyboard. It's annoying staring at the screen wondering is it doing something, is it stuck, what's it waiting for? Diagnosing a Mac that stalled halfway through booting was a right pain. > Most of us know the words, "file", and, "save", but when was the last > time anyone here used a manila folder or a floppy disk? (Don't tell > me about "hover" to discover the meaning of some silly picture. > That's just extra work, and tedious besides when searching through > dozens of pictures for the one needed.) I agree that most icons aren't very practical, and I don't like the hover and wait on this, then hover and wait more on the next non- obvious icon. GUIs are supposed to be quicker, not more tedious! Some are like trying to read hieroglyphics. I think most of us get used to clicking on the third icon for this, and the last one for that. Thankfully most menus use words. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.99.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 14:19:20 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue