I wrote: > I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode > (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the > startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a > Wayland session. Tim via users wrote: >I don't really see the advantage in not starting a desktop session, >just to log in, then starting one afterwards. There must be something >I'm missing. If you want to change the subject, you should change the subject line. The principal advantage is that I get to see what the system is doing during boot and login. I strongly dislike any interface that tries to make things "simple" by hiding what it does. I don't trust things that are hidden from view. And I've probably used computers longer than most of us, having started with an IBM 7094 and an 029 keypunch. There are certainly good use cases for a graphic application, especially for things I don't do often and don't remember the tricks. But every graphic system has its own ways whereas the command line uses only things on a standard keyboard. Most of us know the words, "file", and, "save", but when was the last time anyone here used a manila folder or a floppy disk? (Don't tell me about "hover" to discover the meaning of some silly picture. That's just extra work, and tedious besides when searching through dozens of pictures for the one needed.) -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 dave@xxxxxxxxxxx dhclose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." -- Edith Sitwell _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue