Re: startx equivalent for Wayland

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On Sun, 2023-09-24 at 21:12 -0700, Dave Close wrote:
> I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode
> (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the
> startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a
> Wayland session.

I don't really see the advantage in not starting a desktop session,
just to log in, then starting one afterwards.  There must be something
I'm missing.

Speaking as someone who grew up using computers before we had GUIs, I
now view *having* to use a CLI to do things is like having to use
mechanical teletype (and yes, I have).  Yes, there are use cases, I do
use the CLI from time to time, but I find them emergency cases, not
normal operations.  It's cumbersome, and next to useless when you need
to look at, or enter, some data that isn't plain text.  Or do something
with any program that doesn't have a command line interface.

My approach is usually to let the computer boot up in the normal way it
was intended for use (graphical), and leave it running 24/7.  If I do
need a completely command line interface to fix something, I just
CTRL+ALT+F2 and use one of the other virtual consoles.

> An old post on this list suggests using weston-launch. But dnf says
> there is no package that includes such a command and I can't find any
> other weston command that looks likely. Surely I can't be the only one
> wanting to start from a command line?
> (The target is a system running 64-bit F38 fully updated.)

You might say what desktop environment you're going to be using, too,
because *it* is probably going to be the thing that starts Wayland, and
the command sequence is probably desktop-specific.

My brief research into this, just now, suggests that Gnome and KDE each
have their own way of doing it.  And the first lot of results are all
ancient info.  Such as a "startw" command instead of "startx."

And my interpretation isn't that Wayland is an X alternative, it's a
completely different thing in what it does and how it works (hence why
various things just don't work with it).  So, it's not like starting a
basic X session then running a desktop on top of that as well.

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