On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:25:38PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400 > >Jonathan Billings <billings@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >>On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III <gnwiii@xxxxxxxxx> > >>wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings > >>>><billings@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>>On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III <gnwiii@xxxxxxxxx> > >>>>wrote: > >>>>>Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and > >>>>>governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email > >>>>>for security, legal, and business continuity reasons. Those > >>>>>controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default > >>>>>without explicit action by administrators. One consequence is > >>>>>a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) > >>>>>towards job management tools that provide resource management > >>>>>and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting. > >>>>> > >>>>>Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins. > >>>>I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors > >>>>of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being > >>>>used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of > >>>>ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default > >>>>configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway. > >>>Those issues have been around for many years. The removal of MTA's > >>>from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after > >>>climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at > >>>high levels of enterprise management. > >>I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora > >>discussion: > >> > >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description > >> > >>It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If > >>anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due. > >> > >>Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so > >>it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing > >>an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to > >>forward messages to a proper mail drop. > >> > >>LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s > >>out of date with modern usage. > >> > >>-- > >>Jonathan Billings > >> > >Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that > >needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what? > > This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a > script that does the local delivery. > > It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does > local delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed... How about "procmail" ?? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 ----------------------------- The Boulder Pledge ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
