On 2020-01-02 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 1/1/20 7:48 PM, John Mellor wrote: >> However, I believe that you have completely missed the point of the threads. If Gnome (for example) is not API-safe and failures may occur when upgrading its components and/or apps, then a suitable workaround would possibly be to install only those app updates over a reboot, and allow the other packages to be updated normally and without requiring a reboot. Maybe this could easily be flagged for dnf using a static list of package groups that are known to be unsafe. This possible solution would remove the need for 75% of the reboots. > > You are still not getting it. There is no reliable way to tell if an update is safe. There was even one a while back where X would blow up in the middle of the transaction which caused serious problems. If you are comfortable with doing online updates (which I generally do as well), then do it. But if something goes wrong, don't file a bug. For non-technical users, it's much better for them to have to reboot to do the updates than deal with strange random issues. There's probably a kernel update anyway. Indeed. I do online updates as well. I then use "tracer" to see what it recommends as needing either a restart or maybe a reboot. Yet that isn't even 100% reliable. I'm a KDE user and my favorite "update" is the occasional one where after update "tracer" recommends a logout/login and yet that is impossible from the desktop. I recall that even doing qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 3 3 didn't work. I think a dbus error was reported. I just end up closing all applications and then doing systemctl reboot I can imagine a non-technical user just reaching for the power button out of frustration. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
