Tim: >> I think he means: >> 1. Look at the lines up to and including the next received line. >> 2. Repeat the process, upwards. >> 3. Otherwise, stop looking any further, it's spam. Bill: > Parse Error! My mind incorrectly parsed what Tony said. I didn't find the language too clear, either. But knowing how to read email headers, I took a crack at decoding what he wrote. > I've known for some time that > - messages from most countries other than my home country, > - messages claiming I'm in legal trouble, tax trouble, etc., > - messages asking for crypto-currency, gift cards, and other hard or > impossible to trace payment, and > - threatening messages > are almost certainly malicious and should not be responded to Here, in Australia, you can almost guarantee that you won't get official mail about being in trouble. Legal, tax, debts, whatever will be harassing you with phone calls, letters on paper, and pounding on your front door. The phone calls are the hardest to tell if they're legit, because they come from overseas call centres with bad English, fake or no caller ID, the same as the nuisance calls. You can't win a lottery you didn't enter, and although a friend could buy a ticket for you, you'll probably find out about that from them, and no legit lottery asks you to do dodgy things for your prize. Gift cards will be a hard one to figure out, too. You might be subscribed to something that gives you a special offer, but they don't do it themselves, they've employed a third party. I usually avoid special offers, anyway. You get some 20% off if you spend some $200 that you weren't going to spend in the first place. You save more money by not buying anything. And you avoid further spam. If I have a shop ask me for an email for warranty reasons, I hedge on giving them anything. Though with today's vanishing invisible ink cash register receipts, it may be a good idea with large purchases. I'll give them an already public address, or special different address which I can track who gave it away. e.g. Some mail servers let you tag +word to your username, and they'll deliver it to your normal address. tim+fridge@xxxxxxxxxxx tim+furniture@xxxxxxxxxxx tim+insurance@xxxxxxxxxxx All of them would be delivered to tim@xxxxxxxxxxx. If I receive some spam from one of those addresses, I'll know exactly who sold my email address. You could send them the bill for your email filtering software/service. I've virtually given up on reporting things. There's so many gazillion spams and scams they can't get policed. Any time I've traced some bank scam report, I can see that it's already been reported many times. That's no surprise, with the sheer numbers of people they've spammed. And I've found that when you make some reports, they contact the miscreant *with* your complaint, including your details, and you get more crap from the miscreant. There are so many things that harvest contact details, if you make a post in public you can almost guarantee that someone has copied the address. Hence why I post on here from an auto-deleting mailbox. Anybody can send an email with a "from" address stating whatever they type into it. Although some servers verify that, by requiring you to log in before sending, so spammers cannot post through them, not all do. And some servers can refuse reception of unverified mail, or mail from domains that have not gone through that domain's mail server. e.g. Gmail will check a message that says it was posted from a yahoo address, to see if it passed through the yahoo mail servers, and check that the yahoo mail servers verified it. It's the same kind of thing with nuisance calls. Your number is harvested from somewhere, it gets sold to call centres. It could be from some company you gave details to, it could be from an app on your phone that copies all your stored contacts (including friends who've given you their unlisted number). And you have call centres which hide their caller ID, or write fake numbers into it (hoping to get past people who don't answer anonymous calls). If the phone companies refused to connect calls with faked numbers, we'd be a lot better off. I get a lot of nuisance calls that have ridiculously long numbers, or from numbers belonging to disconnected services. The phone system is computerised, you can't convince me that they can't verify a number before making the connection. Nor that they can't identify a call centre from the huge volume of traffic coming from it, the mass of wrong numbers, the calls that get answered for a few seconds and then hungup on. ISPs have been doing firewalling and spam filtering for years, it's about time the phone companies did, too. > I realize there is no perfect solution or 100% safety. But for the > benefit of others as well as myself, I'm following up on this. When > I do as Tony and Tim suggest, what am I looking for that would be a > red flag the the message is (probably) bad, or would be a green flag > that the message is (probably) genuine and safe? I find that most spam has a stupid "from" address, often another completely unrelated "reply-to" address. If you see an address that's almost like a real one, be suspicious (slightly different spelling, extra words, extra punctuation). Any mail addressed as coming from you that *you* didn't type, is spam. If you get an email that purports to advertise a new thing from your bank, visit your bank website, and see if they advertise the same thing. Don't click a link in the email, even avoid googling the address for your bank. Hand-type the actual address for your bank in your browser, then bookmark it for future reference. There's plenty of website scams which have used an address that's just one letter different from a real address. Switch off features in your mail client which change how it displays addresses in the viewer. Have it show addresses exactly how they were typed in the message. Don't let it pick out the real names from your address book, then use them, instead. Don't let it hide the email address to just show the username. If you can configure your mail program to show a few more headers above the message, get it to include displaying the reply-to header. You can even get it to show the mailer header (mine will show I'm using Evolution, and occasionally Thunderbird). You'll eventually remember what you're friends use, and spot some weird spam program as being different, unusual, or missing. Anti-spam filtering programs can add headers, you can have their spam score displayed, too. Some will munge extra stuff in the subject, but it *may* be more convenient to view the information separately. If your mail program has a status bar, don't turn it off. Usually, they'll reveal the addresses of links in the page if you hover the mouse over the link without clicking on it. It's common for spammers to try an obscure the address in various ways. One way is with HTML mail, they'll write an address in the text that appears on the page, but it's a link to some other address. e.g. In HTML links are constructed with code like this: <a href="address">text</a> The link uses the address in the HREF= data, but displays whatever is between the > </a> portion. That's how webpages work. e.g. <a href="homepage">visit the homepage</a> <a href="http://google.com/">use Google</a> But if some bastard writes: <a href="http://scam.example.com">www.google.com</a> You'll *see* the google address written in the page, but the link will take you to the scam address. If you have the status bar visible on your program, hovering over the link without clicking on it will show you where the link would take you, without actually going to it. One day someone might think to create a plug-in that checks links with two different addresses in such links, and red flags them. Some people sign their posts so the recipients can check that *they* were the author. You can do that, too. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 5.0.16-100.fc28.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 14 18:22:28 UTC 2019 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha haaaaa haaaa, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx