On 02/01/2017 16:23, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:49:35 +0100, Mayavimmer wrote: > >>> Just out of interest (and I could have spared myself this test) >> >> You could start by sparing yourself this comment, sir. > > You may want to revisit the subject you've chosen: > > Can a second F25 be installed on the same machine? > > What answer did you hope for? A definite "yes" or "no"? Or "it depends". > Sure. I could have ignored the entire thread, but I've chosen to comment > on this thread, because to the best of my knowledge, the installer doesn't > care whether an existing installation of F25 is found. Failure reasons > may be completely independent of whether you're trying to install a second > F25 or F26 or RHEL or even another distribution that would not be happy about > what target partitions you point it at or what is left to work with. You > really need to narrow down the target environment and installation scenario. > >> , I've done >>> another F25 installation (from Workstation x86_64 live image) to a machine >>> that can boot F25, F24, F22 and some other distributions already. LVM, ext4 >>> and LUKS involved. I've asked for manual partitioning and haven't run into >>> any issues. >> >> Good for you. When I tried it, I ran into issues, which is why I am here >> asking the list for their experiences. The information you are giving me >> right here is no more precise and detailed than what I gave earlier. > > Of course not. I haven't run into any issues. Not this time, and not the > many times I've done installations like that before with varying > configurations since the Second World War. The much more interesting case > is the failure case. Your failure case, and your installation scenario. > Hence the initial questions about what steps _you_ have tried. > >> How much free space did you have? > > Irrelevant for this case. All that matters is what you have tried and > whether you've reused/reformatted existing partitions, whether you've > tried to allocate something from free space manually or automatically. > Details like that. > >> I mentioned somewhere that on one machine >> _each_ install took 40 min. to finish the initial fsck! How long was >> yours? > > Not noticable. There is no huge storage fs available to this machine > directly, and accessing the local LUKS storage didn't involve any > annoying delay. > > FWIW, I am also not in the know with regard to any forced fsck the current > installer version may run, and as much as you seem to like throwing in > irrelevant issues you consider "awkward", it isn't helpful in this case. > The fsck is an entirely different issue. > >> These are some of the problems I ran into. But you did not have >> any issues. Good for you. > > Which is not why I've pointed that out. > > Nobody (me included) doubts that you're facing problems with whatever > you're trying to do with the installer and your machine's storage > configuration. Nevertheless, it's you who needs to find the culprit > or collect enough data and logs for installer developers to take a look > at. If you came to bugzilla with empty hands, it would not be any > different. > >>>>>> Is there a lot of censorship on this list too? >>>>> >>>>> That's an irrational comment. >>>> >>>> No, that's a question. I am new to the list and would like to know if it >>>> works efficiently or it is a wasteland of egos like most of the >>>> internet. >>> >>> That's another irrational comment. I highly recommend you don't flee into >>> more such off-topic comments. >> >> I recommend the same for you, sir. > > My questions about $subject have not been off-topic. > >> And I recommend you desist from >> making personal recommendations to any user on this list. > > Can't do that, won't do that. You are new to this list, and still you > don't make your own experience on this list, but mention your bad > experience made in other places. It _is_ irrational to start rambling > about "censorship" and "wasteland of egos like most of the internet", > and it doesn't help you with your installation problem at all. > >>>> because I would have to reinstall yet again. >>>> But all you know is that I have tried manual installation and failed. >>> >>> Seriously? You wrote: >>> >>> | Also note that "manual" does not seem to be very manual after all. >>> | In previous more complicated installs it chooses put new partitions >>> | in seemingly arbitrary empty spaces like LVMs. >>> >>> ??? >>> >> >> You are right there is a typo: add "to" after chooses: "chooses put" >> should be "chooses to put". Is it clear now? > > No. The typo is unimportant. You've started with free space and have > asked the installer to creation something _automatically_? Or have you > tried to create a partition manually and whatever space the installer > allocated, wasn't a good working way? > >>>> Thus your contribution so far sounds like an ad hominem. ;-) >>> >>> Talk is cheap. >> >> Look, you chose to offend a new user you don't even know just because he >> criticized some aspect of the product in question without having enough >> evidence to convict. > > A false impression. Can't do anything about you feeling offended (and some > people are offended much too easily), but as I'm not a developer of this > installer, I don't care about the criticism. I'm only interested in the > topic, I'm free to post to the list, and if that troubles you, you may > ignore me. > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > This continues to be very wrong and I cannot continue to answer in detail. You have been pestering me with your ego ever since I dared to mention there is something wrong with the installer, which now has been demonstrated. I am here on this technical list to solve problems for my customers and you are here to play games. Please cease and desist from making personal remarks about me or I will complain to the moderator. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
