Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, David sent: > I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex > Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say > that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out > wrong. Careful. The usual tip off, they say, is "Try this. It might work". And this is different to Windows, how? There's an awful lot of ham-fisted doddering about to *try* and make it do what it's supposed to do. > All I meant was that befer you 'move someone to Linux', of any kind, you > need to understand that Linux use is still, mostly, limited to 'us geeks' Again, how is this different from Windows? Sure, hopeless computer users can use any OS while it's working. But it still takes a "geek" to make Windows behave itself. The average computer user hasn't a chance. > All of which means? IMHO. Linux is cool but not really ready, yet, for > grandma. Nor is Windows. Nor do I think it will ever be. > Because? When $hit goes bad, or just does not work, with Linux it > actually takes someone that knows what they are doing to fix it. Or > reinstall it so that it works again. > > IMHO? Grandma does not want to deal with that. My mother, grandma to my > kids, would not want any part of that if she was still alive. And can she fix Windows? Does she know the need to defrag, can she do it? Can she repair the damage from a virus that her anti-virus software didn't detect until it was too late? Can she install new software? Can she sort out an install that didn't go right? Can she debug why the whole computer crashes and bluescreens while trying to do something basic with the grandson's birthday video in Windows Movie Maker? Or any of the plethora of other day-to-day Windows screw-ups? I'd be very surprised if the answer to any of that was "yes" for your grandma, or any others. I can't remember seeing any Windows home computer that wasn't a mess. Windows did not get where it is by being better, easier, more reliable, nor any other reason that would justify itself. It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices shoehorning it into personal computers. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. My apologies for not including a virus with this message, but I don't use Windows. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org