On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 12:50 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > On 14.06.2012 11:32, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 09:46 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > > > You must be kidding or you are a masochist. It is idiotic to force > > > users to know the magical commands to turn off the computer! On my > > > desktop, yes - I can hold <Alt> and even 10 other keys only to change > > > menu item and power off. But it's really annoying on laptops when I > > > have to quickly switch them off and I do this 3 or 4 times a day. I do > > > not have to mention that it isn't written anywhere (besides the GNOME > > > docs maybe) so users get frustrated when they search for "power off" > > > button. It's very basic functionality and it shouldn't be hidden from > > > anyone nor should require additional steps from the user. > > > > Neither am I kidding, nor am I a masochist. I just don't like random > > folks venting on mailing lists. If you haven't learnt yet, venting does > > nothing. It doesn't bring any changes. All it does is waste infra. > > As you already know it does. This stupidity in GNOME is changed in > next releases so each voice from frustrated users is important. It is > the way wrong things can be heard and repaired. I'll repeat. It was not because of the venting on this list. They do not monitor this list. > > > Like N number of people have already written: Install the extension, no > > more alt required. From F18, you'll have your poweroff back. In the > > meantime, if alt is too much, and installing an extension one time is > > too much, use something else. Move to another DE. > > > > I can install 100 extensions, I can even write them myself. But do I > really have to, just to be able to power off my computer? It's not an > advanced and uncommon functionality for Linux power users - it is a > core feature of every DE to let their users power off the computer > without thinking much how to do it. GNOME puts a lot of stress on > usability but hiding shutdown button is really great usability > violation and they thankfully realized that and changed. Yes. So, what is the discussion about? The current issue has a solution, and the issue has been fixed for the future release. > > > > Finally, tell my why should I run terminal just to power of my > > > computer? Maybe you propose that I install and run chain of 10 other > > > apps to shutdown the computer? LOL > > > > > > > > 3. if you use a terminal: "poweroff" works there > > ER: "if"? That used to mean something.. > > Yep, you're right. My mistake. > > > What I'm suggesting is that you move to Windows/Mac if no DE in Linux > > works for you. I'm sure you won't fork a DE to customize for yourself if > > you can't install an extension or use alt. LOL. > > > > > > I love that king of argument. If someone criticize something related > to apps functionality, he is told to move to Windows or Mac. This > doesn't solve any problem and doesn't stimulate any improvements. Just > because I don't like one small issue doesn't mean I'm not happy with > GNOME/Linux etc. Be more prudent. It was a tongue in cheek response. Of course I don't want you to move to windows or mac. What I'm saying is, there was an issue (it's been around for ages), a solution is provided, the issue is fixed. Need there be any more discussion over this? > > I wold not fork anything because this problem is not worth of doing > this and I don't see any benefits even for myself and fun of doing it. > But don't laugh prematurely because open source have seen forks > because of disagreements in devel camps. > > > Mateusz Marzantowicz -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur: "FranciscoD" Please only print if necessary. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/
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