On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 12:56 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I wonder if I am alone in finding some of the developments in Fedora-16 > actually make life harder for the user? > > I'd take grub2 and systemctl as two examples. > In each case I've read the documentation and understand the motivation > behind these developments. > But I remain unconvinced that the gains outweigh the disadvantages > of methods that are much harder to configure and use. > > I don't think this is just a matter of unfamiliarity. > I think one can say objectively that the new methods > are more complicated than those they replace. > > As a crude measure of complication the new commands > take longer to type than the old, > eg "systemctl start openvpn@client.service" > compared with "start service openvpn". > > And the output of the new commands seems much more verbose than the old: > eg compare the output of "systemctl -a" or "systemctl list-units" > with that of "chkconfig --list". > > Could anyone bringing in these changes have honestly answered "Yes" > if asked whether the new method would simplify life for the user? ---- you're being argumentative here. The move to grub2 & systemd/systemctl really has nothing to do with the user command line interface which you should already understand since you said you understand the motivations. The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl commands can be handled via 'system-config'services' If your beef is about specific daemons (ie openvpn), you should be submitting bugzilla entries against the package. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
