I wonder if I am alone in finding some of the developments in Fedora-16 actually make life harder for the user? I'd take grub2 and systemctl as two examples. In each case I've read the documentation and understand the motivation behind these developments. But I remain unconvinced that the gains outweigh the disadvantages of methods that are much harder to configure and use. I don't think this is just a matter of unfamiliarity. I think one can say objectively that the new methods are more complicated than those they replace. As a crude measure of complication the new commands take longer to type than the old, eg "systemctl start openvpn@client.service" compared with "start service openvpn". And the output of the new commands seems much more verbose than the old: eg compare the output of "systemctl -a" or "systemctl list-units" with that of "chkconfig --list". Could anyone bringing in these changes have honestly answered "Yes" if asked whether the new method would simplify life for the user? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org