Craig White wrote: > The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl > commands can be handled via 'system-config'services' That sounds absurd to me. Maybe I'm not a "typical user" (who is?) but I often need to start or restart services, eg yesterday I had to restart sendmail after changing my SMARTHOST. I also restarted dhcpd after adding another device to dhcpd.conf . Are you suggesting I should re-boot after each of these? I remember that NetworkManager used to have the mantra "It just works". They seem to have dropped it now NM actually does work most of the time. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org