On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 06:28 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 18.09.2011 03:03, schrieb Craig White: > > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 17:56 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > >> You're right, as far as you go, but that's not all there is to it. > >> Unless the developers are only interested in creating something for > >> themselves, they need to take the opinions of the end users into account > >> at least enough to make sure they're creating something that other > >> people will want to use. > > > > ---- > > Is this a habit of yours? (Telling people what they 'need' to do) > > is it a habit of yours? (waiting until enough people use your software > and then throw it away completly and tell them that you decide what > they have to like) > > > GNOME is GPL - anyone can fork it > > and such phrases are the reason why linux on the desktop will never > become a big thing because there are way too much people out there > saying "you have to be delevloper or shut up" > > > For the life of me, I don't understand what the griping is about. If > > you don't like it, don't use it... > > how old are you that you are believe people with a existing workflow > can be forced permanently to change their workflow because they > have no work, no family and so no other things to do? > > > unlike Macintosh or Windows, you do actually get to choose from many > > different DM's and are not just limited > > well, epople HAVE choosed and some ignorant people decided > to kill what they have chossed and you call this fair? > > > to specific choices of eye candy that they allow you to choose from. If > > you can do better, go ahead. > > poor argumentation > > > As far as I have known, GNOME developers have generally eschewed what > > other people wanted and made it how they saw things should be. I can't > > blame them for that for reasons already given. > > well, with real existing users or have they used imaginary ones? > > > If you feel that blaming them is justified, then you should consider it > > apropos for them to be telling you what to do too. > > and you are telling the whole time users what they have to do > > * switch to another DE > * fork it > * shut up ---- absolutely not - I am pointing out the obvious choices available. I don't tell anyone what to do. ---- > > > Then again, I use KDE ;-) > > i too and hopefully more and more people will cry out loud about > the epic fail of GNOME3 to prevent the same mistakes happening > in KDE sooner or later (rely on 3D hardware and such crap) ---- Personally, I find the 'sky is falling' argument a bit tired. It's free software, it's always created because people have an itch that they want to scratch and the idea that others that don't have the same itch have a stake in the process is absurd to the core. But hey, I think pretty much every argument you made above (which I purposely didn't engage) was absurd but you are entitled to your opinion as am I. I sort of hope that a GNOME-2 fork comes out of the process and I'll gladly donate the acronym for the project... STUPID (Stupidly Tolerated User Productivity Interface Denial) Apparently you weren't around when KDE-4 was released and the 'sky is falling' people were howling much the same as now. Some of us are sure that it is way too soon to declare GNOME-3 as an epic fail. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
