On 04.09.2007 22:18, Till Maas wrote: > On Di September 4 2007, Christopher Aillon wrote: > >> Apparently, asking this list was the wrong way to get things done. How >> do we really do this? Does this need to be proposed to some group? >> Does this need to come up for vote at some meeting? How do we actually >> cut the life support here? > > Afaik should FESCO decision and knurd know more, because he proposed a > reorganization of the mailinglists a long time ago. Well, the last time was about six weeks ago on fab-list. But I stopped to work further on this (and told the board about it in private) after that because - the board simply made decisions before the proposal actually was discussed in public on fedora-devel-list. This is a community project and if the Board or another Committee makes decisions before the community discussed something there is something totally wrong IMHO - many people from FAB (mainly Board or FESCO members) wanted different things -- each time the proposal was discussed it was directed into a different direction by different people, killing ideas that were agreed on in earlier discussion. Such a moving target is hard to hit (I knew it would be hard to get the community to accept the reorganization, but I didn't expect the Board/FAB to say "a" two days ago, "b" today and "c (which doesn't work together with 'a')" the next day -- I'm not willing to invest my spare time for such a moving target) - I got the impression that the Board only wanted to pamper over some annoyances instead of fixing the underlying problems, which is not what I wanted - some more, minor reasons > It was delayed because > someone wanted to combine this with moving to @fedoraproject.org adresses / > an own mailserver for Fedora, but now there is no hardware available for > this. Well, the more important reasons was: F7 was more important back then and bound all energy, so I didn't drive it further. CU knurd P.S.:Yes, if you read carefully you'll see lot of frustration between the words. Contributing to the Fedora project has become way more harder over the past months and "what contributors and users want" IMHO is not getting enough attention. Getting something done without investing much time or being in the Committee that makes the final decisions is way to hard in a lot of areas, as the Committee-Members use their power way to much (yes, I realize that all of this was already becoming a problem when I was FESCo chair; I tried to work against that back then, but I know I could have done better). IOW: I think I'm on my way out of Fedora slowly if it doesn't get better again. Sure, some of the things are "growing pains", but they seem to not be addressed to me. P.P.S.: I'm willing to work again on the mailing list reorganization if it's getting discussed on fedora-devel and Board and FESCO members raise any concerns there not after that discussion in their meetings when the stuff comes up for votings (e.g. no freaking next-to-endless-loops like "foo> I had not time to participate in the public discussion, but I totally don't like (a part of it|the whole idea)" "chair> okay, then we don't decide on it and move the discussion back to the list and request that foo's concerns get addressed") /me now really need to go to work -- lots to do today... -- Fedora-maintainers mailing list Fedora-maintainers@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-maintainers -- Fedora-maintainers-readonly mailing list Fedora-maintainers-readonly@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-maintainers-readonly
