Michael J. Knox wrote: > David Woodhouse wrote: > [snip] > >> The default MTA should be included in Core, and the others should be in >> Extras unless they provide functionality which isn't available from the >> default MTA. > > > [snip] > > +1 on that reasoning. However, the road to a concluse agreement on which > app to provide the said functionality in core, I doubt, will be easy :) > > But then again... does it really matter? The goal is to have the lines > between FE and FC to be pretty much transparent for the end user, so > when I build a server and install postfix if it comes from FE instead of > FC I couldn't care I have a problem with this so-called "goal" to have the lines between Fedora Extras and Fedora Core become pretty much transparent for the end user. If this is a goal, I am not seeing us going about it in a compre- hensive way. What end-user(s) are we talking about here? Some folks do not have broadband Internet connections. They have dialup internet of 40 kbps download speed at best. Some users may not even have *any* network connection. How, then, is Fedora Extras useful to them, unless it, too, is packaged somehow on physical media alongside Core? Does Fedora have that as a goal? Further -- I see much glibness about saying, "Throw this over to extras. Throw that over to extras. Extras can take care of it." I understand there appears to be some community-wide consensus that it is a "Good Thing"®™ to reduce the size of Fedora Core. (I am afraid I don't know Mr. Extras - can he handle all these new packages?) But I thought that The Fedora Project was about creating value (and perhaps attractiveness) to the end-users. What kind of end-user polling or testing is being consulted here to come up with these decisions as to what the end-users want and need and don't want in Core? I am seeing lots of programmers weighing in on the decision-making processes (of what goes and what stays, for example), but I am not seeing the evidence of any kind of end-user polling, Usability Testing or other metrics being sought nor applied. In the back of my mind, I'm beginning to call Fedora a "Programmer- friendly" distribution. Who needs users? Regards, David Eisenstein