On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:55 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That's really looking for a cat's fifth leg. Blacklist has nothing to do > with evil, it's just a list of things you don't want to see or use, and > whitelist is a list of things you want to explicitly allow. > Let's say we're talking about drivers, and I want to blacklist a specific > drivers because it's clashing with the default. Does that mean that > driver is evil? No, it's just means there's a conflict of versions or > products. hey, so serious question: what does blacklist mean? is it a list to restrict or deny someone? > Trying to find good and evil in a technical issue is pointless and I agree > with others that this is a non-issue discussion. > The terms are not obfuscatory. They have been used for decades if not > more, and people understand them without even reaching for a dictionary. > If it makes you feel better, use another term. I for myself will not. My > life is complicated enough to worry about terms that haven't and never had > any foul meaning. > For the records, I did read the thread. > > Best regards, > Lailah > > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:43, Paul Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > I don't know how to say this any more clearly. Please read back into the > > thread. The issue is not the use of the word "black." > > > > The issue is the use of "blacklist/whitelist" where black and white are > > representative of evil and good respectively. It serves no useful purpose > > and is better expressed as allow/deny. Blacklist and whitelist are > > *themselves* obfuscatory terms. That's why it only makes more sense to stop > > using them. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 3:20 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> Since when the word "black" is bad? It's a colour. Same as white, blue, > >> orange and pale pink. > >> Changing the use of two terms associated with colours doesn't make any > >> sense and will be confusing for everyone. > >> I'm absolutely against it. We don't need to obfuscate the meaning of > >> things or make it hard to understand to non-native English speakers. > >> Also, did anyone actually got offended by this term? Or is it just a case > >> of opening the umbrella before it rains? > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Lailah > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 00:06, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> > Ok, so as the writer of the article here are my thoughts... > >> > > >> > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against > >> changing > >> > it just because it contains the name "black". > >> > > >> > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as > >> > reference to the color). > >> > > >> > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at least > >> in > >> > English) which has nothing to do with race. > >> > > >> > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but rather > >> as a > >> > stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution and > >> I'm > >> > not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who can't help > >> > themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Richard > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: > >> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > >> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > >> > List Archives: > >> > > >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Fedora Code of Conduct: > >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > >> List Archives: > >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Vipul Siddharth He/His/Him Fedora | CentOS CI Infrastructure Team Red Hat w: vipul.dev _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
