That's really looking for a cat's fifth leg. Blacklist has nothing to do with evil, it's just a list of things you don't want to see or use, and whitelist is a list of things you want to explicitly allow. Let's say we're talking about drivers, and I want to blacklist a specific drivers because it's clashing with the default. Does that mean that driver is evil? No, it's just means there's a conflict of versions or products. Trying to find good and evil in a technical issue is pointless and I agree with others that this is a non-issue discussion. The terms are not obfuscatory. They have been used for decades if not more, and people understand them without even reaching for a dictionary. If it makes you feel better, use another term. I for myself will not. My life is complicated enough to worry about terms that haven't and never had any foul meaning. For the records, I did read the thread. Best regards, Lailah On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:43, Paul Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I don't know how to say this any more clearly. Please read back into the > thread. The issue is not the use of the word "black." > > The issue is the use of "blacklist/whitelist" where black and white are > representative of evil and good respectively. It serves no useful purpose > and is better expressed as allow/deny. Blacklist and whitelist are > *themselves* obfuscatory terms. That's why it only makes more sense to stop > using them. > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 3:20 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Since when the word "black" is bad? It's a colour. Same as white, blue, >> orange and pale pink. >> Changing the use of two terms associated with colours doesn't make any >> sense and will be confusing for everyone. >> I'm absolutely against it. We don't need to obfuscate the meaning of >> things or make it hard to understand to non-native English speakers. >> Also, did anyone actually got offended by this term? Or is it just a case >> of opening the umbrella before it rains? >> >> Kind regards, >> Lailah >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 00:06, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Ok, so as the writer of the article here are my thoughts... >> > >> > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against >> changing >> > it just because it contains the name "black". >> > >> > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as >> > reference to the color). >> > >> > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at least >> in >> > English) which has nothing to do with race. >> > >> > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but rather >> as a >> > stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution and >> I'm >> > not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who can't help >> > themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Richard >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: >> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> > List Archives: >> > >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
