Hello Vipul, It's not referred to people most of the time. You can say, for example, "Ricky and his colleagues were blacklisted because of their political views" meaning they are pushed aside when they apply to jobs for political reasons. That's a common behaviour in dictatorships, but that's not the usual meaning. Typically a whitelist is a list of things or events you purposely want to allow. For example, email addresses you want to make sure won't be missed or overlooked. Or a list of input hardware you want your computer to use first or exclusively. In the same way, a blacklist is a list of things or events you want to leave out. For example, your computer is misbehaving and you suspect is one of your graphic cards. You blacklist one of them and reboot. That means the system will ignore that card and solely use the other. Or your website is getting spammed by a few senders. You blacklist their addresses and servers so your website is not taken down. An example of these terms working together would be the following: you want to allow certain programmes to connect to internet but not others. You whitelist the ones you want through the firewall and blacklist the ones you want to restrict partially or totally. Hope this helps to clarify, Kind regards, Lailah On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 14:28, Vipul Siddharth <siddharthvipul1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:55 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > That's really looking for a cat's fifth leg. Blacklist has nothing to do > > with evil, it's just a list of things you don't want to see or use, and > > whitelist is a list of things you want to explicitly allow. > > Let's say we're talking about drivers, and I want to blacklist a specific > > drivers because it's clashing with the default. Does that mean that > > driver is evil? No, it's just means there's a conflict of versions or > > products. > > hey, so serious question: what does blacklist mean? > is it a list to restrict or deny someone? > > > Trying to find good and evil in a technical issue is pointless and I > agree > > with others that this is a non-issue discussion. > > The terms are not obfuscatory. They have been used for decades if not > > more, and people understand them without even reaching for a dictionary. > > If it makes you feel better, use another term. I for myself will not. > My > > life is complicated enough to worry about terms that haven't and never > had > > any foul meaning. > > For the records, I did read the thread. > > > > Best regards, > > Lailah > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:43, Paul Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > I don't know how to say this any more clearly. Please read back into > the > > > thread. The issue is not the use of the word "black." > > > > > > The issue is the use of "blacklist/whitelist" where black and white are > > > representative of evil and good respectively. It serves no useful > purpose > > > and is better expressed as allow/deny. Blacklist and whitelist are > > > *themselves* obfuscatory terms. That's why it only makes more sense to > stop > > > using them. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 3:20 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> Since when the word "black" is bad? It's a colour. Same as white, > blue, > > >> orange and pale pink. > > >> Changing the use of two terms associated with colours doesn't make any > > >> sense and will be confusing for everyone. > > >> I'm absolutely against it. We don't need to obfuscate the meaning of > > >> things or make it hard to understand to non-native English speakers. > > >> Also, did anyone actually got offended by this term? Or is it just a > case > > >> of opening the umbrella before it rains? > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> Lailah > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 00:06, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > Ok, so as the writer of the article here are my thoughts... > > >> > > > >> > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against > > >> changing > > >> > it just because it contains the name "black". > > >> > > > >> > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as > > >> > reference to the color). > > >> > > > >> > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at > least > > >> in > > >> > English) which has nothing to do with race. > > >> > > > >> > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but > rather > > >> as a > > >> > stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution > and > > >> I'm > > >> > not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who can't > help > > >> > themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > Richard > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to > magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > >> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > >> > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > >> > List Archives: > > >> > > > >> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Fedora Code of Conduct: > > >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > >> List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > >> List Archives: > > >> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- > Vipul Siddharth > He/His/Him > Fedora | CentOS CI Infrastructure Team > Red Hat > w: vipul.dev > _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
