On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:06 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against changing it just because it contains the name "black". > > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as reference to the color). > > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at least in English) which has nothing to do with race. > Yes, it's a color, but the list isn't black, so that's not relevant. I agree that it has a long non-racial usage, but it also has less clarity. Unlike the term "slave", I would not object to *any* use of the word blacklist, but it should be used judiciously. If upstream uses it, then by all means let's use it in command line invocations, file names, etc. But let's not use it in the descriptive part of the article. (analogy: ssh is the command, SSH is the protocol; foo.blacklist is the file, foo blocklist is the concept) > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but rather as a stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution and I'm not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who can't help themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be. > We should be very careful about deciding whether or not we're causing offense to a group that is almost entirely unrepresented in our community. No one has suggested a language police, just establishing a set of standards that address specific issues. Will those standards change over time? Absolutely. The English I write isn't the same as William Shakespeare (in a variety of ways). Submitting an article that uses "blacklist" isn't a code of conduct issue; it's something to look at in the editorial review process. Yes, this particular terminology is getting more attention right now due to issues in the United States. That doesn't mean it's not worth looking at. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
