The issue at hand is not removing the word "black" from use; let's not cloud the actual topic. We are looking at the case of "whitelist/blacklist" as a metaphor for "good/bad." For example, "black box" has no such issue as that usage is unambiguously about visibility. Here's a good writeup on this and surrounding issues, and I recommend taking the time to read and understand it: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html#rfc.section.1.2 Paul On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 8:21 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:06 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against changing it just because it contains the name "black". > > > > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as reference to the color). > > > > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at least in English) which has nothing to do with race. > > > Yes, it's a color, but the list isn't black, so that's not relevant. I > agree that it has a long non-racial usage, but it also has less > clarity. Unlike the term "slave", I would not object to *any* use of > the word blacklist, but it should be used judiciously. If upstream > uses it, then by all means let's use it in command line invocations, > file names, etc. But let's not use it in the descriptive part of the > article. (analogy: ssh is the command, SSH is the protocol; > foo.blacklist is the file, foo blocklist is the concept) > > > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but rather as a stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution and I'm not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who can't help themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be. > > > We should be very careful about deciding whether or not we're causing > offense to a group that is almost entirely unrepresented in our > community. No one has suggested a language police, just establishing a > set of standards that address specific issues. Will those standards > change over time? Absolutely. The English I write isn't the same as > William Shakespeare (in a variety of ways). Submitting an article that > uses "blacklist" isn't a code of conduct issue; it's something to look > at in the editorial review process. > > Yes, this particular terminology is getting more attention right now > due to issues in the United States. That doesn't mean it's not worth > looking at. > > -- > Ben Cotton > He / Him / His > Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream > Red Hat > TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis > _______________________________________________ > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
