Re: SPDX Statistics - R.U.R. edition

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Hi,

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 12:54:58PM -0500, Richard Fontana wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 12:49 PM Richard Fontana <rfontana@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> We have unambiguously rejected the
> concept of the effective license, except possibly in some extreme
> scenarios. For this reason alone, it is possible that most Fedora package
> license tags are inaccurate even if you assume that the relevant
> identifiers are truly synonymous, which they aren't.
> 
> I am not sure how we will act upon the hope for further auditing, but maybe
> better documentation could help result in more accurate (or
> guidelines-conformant) license tags over a long period of time.

Sorry for not really having followed this discussion earlier.  But I
think not having an "effective license" is a bit of a problem for
packagers of (larger) GPL packages. At least in my experience with
such projects, e.g. valgrind for which I am both the packager and part
of upstream.

As far as I can tell most such projects follow guidelines like
https://softwarefreedom.org/resources/2007/gpl-non-gpl-collaboration.html
So they might incorporate works covered by GPL compatible
lax-permissive licenses, but (effectively) distribute the whole under
the GPL. Although the original licenses and snippets of code are there
in the code it is not really possible to extract and redistribute/use
those snippets under their original licenses. Unless they are
explicitly put into separate unmodified files. Because they are mixed
with and treated as normal GPL code in the project.

If there is a reference to the original code and version that was
incorporated then you could maybe look at that and reuse that under
the original declared license. But I think it is somewhat pointless to
list all such code snippets separately under their original license
terms. For all intends and purposes those snippets of code are really
(re)distributed under the GPL now by the project incorporating them.

What is the goal of dropping the effective license and make packagers
list all the licences of some code snippets originally incorporated
under lax-permissive licenses? Is that not just make work for the
packager if upsteam just uses one effective license?

Thanks,

Mark
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