On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 13:16, Temlakos <temlakos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 5/11/21 10:10 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > > > > > > On 5/11/21 11:07 AM, Temlakos wrote: > >> On 5/11/21 9:52 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/10/21 1:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: > >>>> On 5/10/21 12:12 PM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/10/21 1:04 PM, Temlakos wrote: > >>>>>> On 5/10/21 10:58 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 5/10/21 11:32 AM, Temlakos wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 5/10/21 10:13 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 5/10/21 10:56 AM, Temlakos wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Everyone: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ever since the latest massive kde5 update (Saturday 8 May > >>>>>>>>>> 2021), I have not been able to use the task bar to switch > >>>>>>>>>> between open windows - and sometimes not even to start > >>>>>>>>>> certain applications that have taskbar icons. Anything in the > >>>>>>>>>> System Tray is all right - like the dnfdragora update icon, > >>>>>>>>>> the clipboard, the new-device icon, or the volume icon. But > >>>>>>>>>> anything for an open window? Forget it. Every time I click on > >>>>>>>>>> such an object, the computer pauses for about ten or fifteen > >>>>>>>>>> seconds, during which it accepts no input from mouse or > >>>>>>>>>> keyboard - and then blanks the screen, abruptly closes all > >>>>>>>>>> open windows, and restarts the session. Most of the time the > >>>>>>>>>> session is all right, but not always - in which case I > >>>>>>>>>> restart the machine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It's not the kernel. I've tried this with all three versions > >>>>>>>>>> of the kernel I now have on board. (They're all three F34 > >>>>>>>>>> builds by now.) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It's one or more of the applications that are part of KDE > >>>>>>>>>> Plasma. But I despair of telling which one. That update had > >>>>>>>>>> 185 programs in it, and only four of them are referable to > >>>>>>>>>> the kernel. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I can always use the Alt-Tab trick to browse open windows to > >>>>>>>>>> get to any open window I want. I can always start most > >>>>>>>>>> programs through the Applications Menu; that icon works. I > >>>>>>>>>> /think/ I can start one instance of Dolphin - but starting a > >>>>>>>>>> new instance requires the task bar, so that's out. The only > >>>>>>>>>> way to open two instances of Dolphin is to connect an > >>>>>>>>>> external device, thus giving me an excuse to open that device > >>>>>>>>>> in Dolphin and then switch views. (And another thing: > >>>>>>>>>> movement and copying from one Dolphin instance to another is > >>>>>>>>>> also broken. I have to use the clipboard as an intermediate > >>>>>>>>>> step. Otherwise Dolphin complains that it /can't read/ what > >>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to move or copy.) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In other news, my bug reporting system is broken and won't > >>>>>>>>>> report anything, and the KDE Daemon keeps crashing at the > >>>>>>>>>> beginning of every session - though I can't tell whether I'm > >>>>>>>>>> losing anything by that. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else noticed this issue? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Can someone having an intact reporting system, or an upstream > >>>>>>>>>> channel, try to report this? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I wonder if the update didn't fully complete? Does this show > >>>>>>>>> any plasma/kf5 related updates? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yum list updates > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> No. No updates available at this time, from any repository. > >>>>>>>> Whatever packages I got, the update went through. Ergo, I > >>>>>>>> didn't get every package that needed to change, or the latest > >>>>>>>> Plasma/KF5 update contains a bug or bugs related to the Task Bar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Are yum running plasma under Wayland or X11 ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As far as I know, I'm using X11. I don't remember explicitly > >>>>>> transferring to Wayland. I have been upgrading by the command > >>>>>> line for every iteration since F21 at least, and so I should > >>>>>> always have kept the same interface, which should be X11. I > >>>>>> wouldn't know how to transfer to Wayland; I'm not even sure > >>>>>> whether that is a valid interface for desktop hardware. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Default in Fedora 34 is wayland. Do this in Konsole and see if > >>>>> there is any kwin/plasma stuff that comes back: > >>>>> > >>>>> ps ax|grep wayland > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Done, and here is the output: > >>>> > >>>> ps ax|grep wayland > >>>> 2044 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/sddm-helper --socket > >>>> /tmp/sddm-auth6a45d97b-56fa-4345-8221-8fe52b898a6a --id 1 --start > >>>> /usr/libexec/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed > >>>> /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland --user Temlakos > >>>> 2069 tty1 Ssl+ 0:00 /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland > >>>> 2117 tty1 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/kwin_wayland_wrapper > >>>> --xwayland /usr/libexec/startplasma-waylandsession > >>>> 22033 tty1 Sl+ 4:06 kwin_wayland --wayland_fd 4 > >>>> --xwayland /usr/libexec/startplasma-waylandsession > >>>> 22107 tty1 Sl+ 3:04 /usr/bin/Xwayland -displayfd 33 > >>>> -rootless -wm 36 -auth /run/user/1000/xauth_ITtMLk > >>>> 22151 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/startplasma-waylandsession > >>>> 40868 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto wayland > >>>> > >>>> The word "wayland" appears in red; the rest of the above text > >>>> appears in white. > >>>> > >>>> Does that confirm your suspicion? > >>> > >>> > >>> Yes. Try selecting an X11 plasma session from the SDDM login screen. > >> > >> And how do I get to that point? My login screen asks me only one > >> thing: who am I, among three registered users of this computer? It > >> does not ask me for a preference of X11 v. Weyland. > > > > > > Should be in the bottom left as a pulldown. I don't find it very > > prominent. > > Problem solved. X11 restored certain behaviors to which I was > accustomed. (Wayland, for instance, insists on opening all popups in the > nearest corner instead of in the middle of the screen.) > > So I can attest: Wayland is not for everyone. Certain equipment requires > X11. And this is particularly annoying for yakuake. I'm sticking to X11 for now for this reason. -- Iñaki Úcar _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
