On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:47 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:11 AM Samuel Garcia <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > I have been trying out Fedora these past days and, since I pretty much like KDE / Plasma, I have installed the KDE spin. I mainly have some gripes about the default package selection on the Spin, which I will list below. I do not intend this to be a rant or something like that, and most of these thoughts are probably just personal preferences, but I thought it may be helpful to have some feedback from a newcomer's standpoint. > > > > Browser selection: > > There are three browsers installed by default: Firefox, Falkon and Konqueror. I honestly think this is too much for a default selection. Firefox is a given, of course, but Konqueror and Falkon should not be there. IMHO, Falkon is still still a young project and Konqueror is a... let's call it "ancient" browser/file manager. I personally think both of them are the typical software which people actually know about and install on their own. > > > > I agree with you on the browser selection, but I think having a > Chromium-based browser in the spin makes sense to deal with > Chrome-only sites. So I'd be okay with removing Konqueror from the > default selection. > I use Konqueror all the time, as a man page reader. Really. Type in "#man" as a URL and you get a well formated man page, that you can search and scroll through easily. As a browser, I only use it when I need to test a page I'm working on with something other than Firefox and Chrome/Chromium. > > Software management: both dnfdragora and Discover are present. I find this confusing and I do not know if there is any technical reason behind why there are two different graphical software management tools present by default, alongside the command-line options, and Discover's update applet on the taskbar. By comparison, the gnome edition only has the Software store. > > > > dnfdragora and Plasma Discover provide different views to software > management. Plasma Discover provides app-centric views, while > dnfdragora lets you view all the packages in the distribution. I am, > however, confused as to why Discover's update applet is on the > taskbar. It shouldn't even be installed by default. Or are you just > referring to plasma-pk-updates? The updater widget is separate from > both dnfdragora and discover. > > > Office suite: I want to believe that LibreOffice is more used than the Calligra suite. I'd rather prefer to find no Office suite installed by default and choose either of them. > > > > I think this is more to help with discoverability of KDE software. > > > K3b: I think disc burning tools should not be present by default anymore, since it's increasingly hard to find modern desktops/laptops with CD/DVD writers. > > > > However, it's pretty easy to find external drives to do this. That > said, optical media usage is becoming rarer. I could see us dropping > it from the default installed set on the live media. > > > Kwrite and Kate: I think this is more of a KDE "too many applications" issue, but I would rather expect to have both Kwrite and Kate present by default, (or better, just Kate) > > > > They actually share the same code. Kate is a programmer's editor, > while Kwrite is the more basic view (like a notepad with syntax > highlighting, similar to gedit!). They use the same KPart. Between the > two, I'd probably drop Kate. It's a lot less used and more complex to > use well. > > > Multimedia: This is purely personal but I would rather see VLC as a sensible default instead of Dragon Player. > > > > *sigh* > Just to explain the *sigh*. VLC isn't included in Fedora for legal/license reasons, so it cannot be part of the spin. > > Printing tools: I see that there is printing support, but there I could not find a scanning application (Skanlite comes to mind). The gnome workstation edition has a scanner application by default. > > > > Good point. We should have one... > > > Complementary tools: > > I find it weird there are tools such as: > > > > Krusader, but not a diff tool (such as Kompare) > > > > Kgpg, but not Kleopatra (cert/key management) > > > > Hmm... > > > I honestly think the KDE spin is "too much" when compared to the default workstation/gnome edition, which is actually very minimalist and curated when it comes to default software selection, and it makes me think the KDE spin is a second-class citizen. > > > > Again, I do not intend this to be a rant, but instead to be helpful feedback. I would like to hear anyone's thoughts about this and I am open to criticism! > > > > The challenge here is that we want to make it both a showcase of > Fedora with KDE and demonstrate what KDE itself can offer. > Discoverability is quite hard for KDE applications, and what we select > is what gets the most attention from users and contributors. Unlike > GNOME, which has been gradually cutting off its own face and reducing > scope and functionality, the KDE community has continued to develop a > full suite of stuff. > > I think we could reduce what's on the media more if we had some kind > of first-login "Welcome to your desktop" thing like Korora did (and > openSUSE, Mageia, and OpenMandriva do have now) that pointed people to > non-installed applications for specific purposes and made it easy to > just install them from that app. Maybe that's worth investigating now? > > _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
