On Saturday, 8 July 2017 4:12:54 AM AEST Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 04:26:00PM +0200, Luigi Toscano wrote: > > > Talking about changes, you mentioned that there are many applications and > > they are tested at the end of the cycle. Can you please share more > > details about it? Is it a matter of the number of the applications in the > > Live image, or there are some of them which are more troublesome to test. > > Or maybe the applications by KDE simply don't have automated tests, while > > > > there are some of them for Gnome applications? > > Or a combination of all of them? > > > See Steven's other reply to this for some context. Here is the release > criterion: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_26_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_app > lication_functionality > which says: > > All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical > mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of > that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic > functionality test. > > Basic functionality means that the app must at least be broadly > capable of its most basic expected operations, and that it must not > crash without user intervention or with only basic user intervention. > > From this, I think sheer number is an issue. In Workstation, there are > GUI 36 applications available on the Live image, not counting Anaconda. > That's already a lot, really -- but in KDE, I count *79* in the menu at > the bottom left. In other news, I installed Arch Linux the other day, then sddm / plasma- desktop and was quite surprised to see how clean it was. Yes, just about everything isn't installed by default - but being able to then just install the bits I need was somewhat refreshing. While I'm not for a moment suggesting that the live image should be a bare bones solution, I feel there needs to be some agreement that the current level of stuff in the live image is somewhat excessive. In somewhat related news: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/6jqysp/can_we_talk_about_spins/ -- Steven Haigh 📧 netwiz@xxxxxxxxx 💻 http://www.crc.id.au 📞 +61 (3) 9001 6090 📱 0412 935 897
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