On 6 October 2015 at 15:00, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Am 06.10.2015 um 15:51 schrieb Ian Malone: >> >> On 6 October 2015 at 14:47, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> honestly i hear the excuse "we now broke things to develop for the future >>> where all will work" way too long - what we need as users is software >>> *for >>> now* and not for a unknown point in time >> >> >> This is not unlike the pulseaudio introduction where many drivers had >> bugs that had never been fixed and probably would have never been >> fixed if PA hadn't needed things like sane mixer controls. That was >> fairly painful, but we are now at a much better stage than we were in >> the pre-PA days > > > users certainly have applauded that he had working sound in the past and > wait for months / years to get it back somehow - and that's why people > should stop rewrite and replace working things until they are not able to do > it proper and learn from the past > > it takes more time? > so what! > it can take as long as it takes because people have working setups > I didn't say more time, I said never. And I'm not sure I really describe "now I must hunt down and kill my music player because I need to use skype" as a working setup. Similarly if you really hate plasma 5 and improving it is something you don't have or want time to spend on then that's understandable, the sensible move would be to wait it out, find another environment or somewhere where they are still on KDE4. Not everyone has the same requirements and finds their pain point in different places. Moaning about ivory towers is 1. inaccurate (sorry, how do you write a window manager when the graphics system doesn't behave as documented? you don't build any type of tower on sand), 2. has been boring for at least a month now. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org