On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 04:32:20PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Hi all. At today's Fedora Council "virtual face-to-face" meeting, we > decided that it's time to move our discussion from this mailing list > and IRC to more modern platforms: namely, Discourse via > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ and Matrix via ... something yet > to be determined, but probably initially a channel on element.io and > then eventually our own server. > > Some Fedora Teams, like the Magazine, have already moved from the > mailing list, and noted a significant increase in visiblity and > participation. The fact is, even those of us who proudly self-identify > as "old school" are reluctant to sign up for yet-another-mailing-list > these days. It's a serious barrier to project entry. > > And IRC ... it's served us well, but... it's also not kept up, and it's > *long* been a problem we've seen in attracting new contributors. More > and more new projects turn to Slack or Discord for their real-time > discussions. I'd like us to move to something open source while such > things are viable, and hopefully by doing so help them stay > competitive. Since we don't have a Matrix server up and running, this > is a little further off, but I wanted to mention it here. > > In any case, we plan to: > > * Bridge IRC and Matrix, so that you can stay on IRC and interact if > that's your preference. Freenode isn't going away anytime soon! > > * Plan to port zodbot to be a Matrix-native bot, so we can have logged > meetings, cookies-with-badges, adamw "firing" people, etc. > > * Retire this list for new posts (tentatively, starting December 1st), > and instead direct conversation to > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/project/council-discuss/60 > > * Set up a bot to automatically post summaries of discussion from that > category to this list, so that long-term subscribers aren't left out > > Note that unlike a "BB"-style web forum, you can interact with > discussion.fedoraproject.org via email, including getting individual > new posts and responding in your mail client. It isn't quite a > first-class experience, though -- there are many features which are web > only. > > Any questions about any of this? Anything I haven't thought of? At the risk of digging up more alternatives, has any consideration been given to zulip instead of matrix? ( https://github.com/zulip ) They are open source, have been around longer than matrix, are more active than matrix and provide free hosting for open source projects (so we would not need to run a server if we didn't want to) ( https://zulip.com/for/open-source/ ) They also have a number of improvements over matrix/irc like topics in channels. Of course it could also be linked to irc/matrix so we could let folks choose, but I'm not sure how the threading works for that case. kevin
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