Re: We're planning to move Council discussions

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 4:32 PM Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi all. At today's Fedora Council "virtual face-to-face" meeting, we
> decided that it's time to move our discussion from this mailing list
> and IRC to more modern platforms: namely, Discourse via
> and Matrix via ... something yet
> to be determined, but probably initially a channel on and
> then eventually our own server.

What do you hope to gain from moving Council discussions to Discourse?

> Some Fedora Teams, like the Magazine, have already moved from the
> mailing list, and noted a significant increase in visiblity and
> participation. The fact is, even those of us who proudly self-identify
> as "old school" are reluctant to sign up for yet-another-mailing-list
> these days. It's a serious barrier to project entry.
> And IRC ... it's served us well, but... it's also not kept up, and it's
> *long* been a problem we've seen in attracting new contributors. More
> and more new projects turn to Slack or Discord for their real-time
> discussions. I'd like us to move to something open source while such
> things are viable, and hopefully by doing so help them stay
> competitive. Since we don't have a Matrix server up and running, this
> is a little further off, but I wanted to mention it here.
> In any case, we plan to:
> * Bridge IRC and Matrix, so that you can stay on IRC and interact if
>   that's your preference. Freenode isn't going away anytime soon!
> * Plan to port zodbot to be a Matrix-native bot, so we can have logged
>   meetings, cookies-with-badges, adamw "firing" people, etc.
> * Retire this list for new posts (tentatively, starting December 1st),
>   and instead direct conversation to
> * Set up a bot to automatically post summaries of discussion from that
>   category to this list, so that long-term subscribers aren't left out
> Note that unlike a "BB"-style web forum, you can interact with
> via email, including getting individual
> new posts and responding in your mail client. It isn't quite a
> first-class experience, though -- there are many features which are web
> only.
> Any questions about any of this? Anything I haven't thought of?

I would strongly not recommend promoting the email features of
Discourse. They're pretty terrible to work with from an email-workflow
perspective. Personally, I'm fortunate that I don't have to discuss
with the Council too much, or this might actually be a huge problem
for me.

The intent to move to Matrix, however, is quite welcome. I'm looking
forward to helping there wherever I can.

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