On 07/04/2020 18:01, David Woodhouse wrote: > I am struggling to see what actual question, or actionable request that > is relevant in the context of Fedora, is hidden in ... Matt's email from Friday seems to suggest we can't ask questions about any free software organization, even on other sites that are not syndicated to Planet Fedora. If an organization is deleting people at Christmas or during their vacations, it seems like they don't recognize how much work those people put in throughout the year (and decades) prior to that. If they thank some people while removing other peoples' names, is that organization really running on the same principles as Fedora? If Matt is defending that organization blindly, simply because they are a free software organization, then it implies Fedora doesn't value the contributions of those volunteers either. Likewise, if Fedora is maintaining a list of names in a Git repository and that is used to justify an attack in LWN, it contradicts a lot of the practices described in the other sub-thread about badges, cookie karma, happiness packets, etc. More concisely, these things feel like experiments in gamification and shaming rather than real relationships. I also asked specifically about Fedora's participation in the discussions at SFSCon 2018, partly because it is behind the Linux Journal paywall and Fedora is normally more open than that. Even if Fedora wasn't involved in the discussions about making dossiers on volunteers, it would be interesting to know about any positive or constructive things in that round-table. Regards, Daniel _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx