On 27/03/2020 19:45, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 11:00:49PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> You sent me a private email asking me to confirm that >> “I agreed to comply with Fedora’s Code of Conduct” >> >> I will choose to rephrase that: I agree to take Fedora's Code of Conduct >> into consideration. I feel that we all interpret these Codes of Conduct >> in a slightly different manner. When I see a volunteer being >> mistreated, which is what I saw in Debian during the Christmas period >> 2018, I won't be silenced by a code of obedience. > > We need Fedora to be a place where people can participate and > contribute without fear. The Code of Conduct isn’t a tool for > bludgeoning people into compliance. It’s a basic part of the social > contract by which our community works. If you can’t agree to abide by > it, that’s certainly your right. I’m not interested in forcing anyone. > But those who can’t agree can’t be Fedora Project members or > contributors. Removing somebody's blog and then talking to them about the issue retrospectively feels like bludgeoning. I fully agree with you in principle: that is why I proposed to meet in person, next time we have the opportunity to do so. When people meet as peers (the words I used), neither has cause to fear the other. As I said, I agree to take the Code of Conduct into consideration. I don't see it as a silver bullet but that doesn't mean I repudiate it. For example, I feel that investing in regular events and leadership skills is more valuable than asking people to tick a box accepting a Code of Conduct. Nonetheless, to make it clear, I agree to respect and abide by the Code of Conduct to the greatest extent possible. The Code of Conduct, like many others states "Different people have different perspectives on issues". I understand that for some people, the hidden conflicts of interest don't matter. For other people they matter a lot, almost like a theft. How do you resolve that contradiction? When Catholic priests were accused of wrongdoing, the church decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. Their Code of Conduct suggested that complaints could be resolved by saying more prayers[2], they didn't want rogue priests to /fear/ consequences. The situations we have now don't equate to child abuse in any way, but your suggestion above that we should eliminate all fear raises ethical and philosophical questions that I am far from qualified to answer: if people in positions of trust don't /fear/ questions about their actions, there are always some people[3] who will indulge themselves in doing wrong. Please kindly put back my blog, I see no immediate answers to such dilemmas. Regards, Daniel 1. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ 2. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/priest-child-sex-abuse-pope-francis-punishment-pray-hail-mary-guam-a7178416.html 3. https://www.fastcompany.com/3067770/almost-all-of-you-would-cheat-and-steal-if-the-people-in-charge-imply-its-ok _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
